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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 09:08:44 am »
lol,,,, if that circuit really works then it would be the steam resonator since its ac

Nice circuit!

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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 16:45:12 pm »
lol,,,, if that circuit really works then it would be the steam resonator since its ac

Nice circuit!


well, I don't think it will be AC, since the WFC does not work like a true capacitor, I don't think it will have the an LC resonance, but more like the natural coil resonance.

I'll try it shortly and share the results.

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 19:04:16 pm »
WCG,

If you need help, just ask.
I too, think its a nice experiment to do, but at this moment i run different tests.
Succes!

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 02:01:03 am »
Thanks Stevie!!

Here are my reults:

It does self resonate but generates no gas. The MASTER Riddler is correct.

the tranformer is 1:1  1.962 mh
Here are some scope shots:

1st photo is the signal when using the WFC has "CAP"
516Hz


2nd photo is using a 22uf bi-polar CAP
753Hz



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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 16:30:05 pm »
Did you insulate the inner tube? if you didn't  what you get is a dead short.

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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2008, 03:47:08 am »
No, I didn't.


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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 22:14:18 pm »


I really want people to learn this for it is not all that hard. Now if you want graphs to help explain all of this read the site above, most of the answer we all need are there.

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h2opower.

thanks! i had figured this similiarity out by myself and then posted it to the waterfuelcell forum. they didnt listen too, but i'm glad i am not the only one who sees the great similarities between tesla (and many other free energy devices!) and the technique for the working wfc.
same to hydrocars, great that other people think like me too, i hope it is the way to go, will try that out in a few weeks when i got my tubes.

but some other thoughts:
the dave lawton circuit works with 12V, a pulse circuit und a bifilar inductor, but he states that his efficiency is >300%. (i'll take that as fact because ravi and some others have replicated him successfully) his gap is around 1.5mm (didnt remember that so well) and don't you think that is enough?
if that dielectric failure works with that low voltage (on which other way could you get >300% efficiency?) 30kV will be enough to destroy probably a whole gallon of water (with detroying i mean the creation of h² and o²), okay if you want to have 10 times the amount of water you use a transformer (voltage intensifier)  to load the water fuel cell (capacitor) with higher voltage (you do not need current to load a capacitor (!). then after enough pulses the failure happens and you got your h/o.
what are your thoughts?

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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008, 23:37:00 pm »
H2,

That pdf is terrible to read! That will cost me days to consume! :)

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Yeah that is a hard one, but I only looked at the relationships of what they are doing. Seems some of the corperate science guys have known all along that this dielectric failure of water happens. For the didn't want water failing dielectricaly in the acceleration chambers and designed them so water doesn't fail dielectricaly. I have to go online for a lot to understand what they are talking about. But from the graph data they have, one can see that the gap or spacing is very important to keeping water from dielectric failure. The larger the spacing the more voltage then can put around it and vis versa. So what Ravi said was right on the money, we need to get the spacing very close, say .025-.010 inches. I will try and put the formulas given in the pdf to use, but some of them are very hard for me going to take some time to do so.  :P

In my new Dr. Dingel type cell I am aiming for .015 spacing, so I should be in the ball park on this one. And if I can get the cone shaped wfc built it will have a spacing of .027 I think but at the cone part of it only .013. I have been waiting on that all summer, so I am not too happy with the machinist task with making the cone shaped wfc for me. Oh well, live and learn.

But the good side of all of this is we have equations that we can use from http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html in designing our wfc's right now, to include the electronics. Anyone with a alternator set up should use the six diode set up shown in richie burrnett pages. I will give a try at 3 phase agian once I have everything built, for I am going to have to redesign the electronics to use the opto thingy and put the pulsing on that. In camster6's video he only has one phase so it leaves gaps in his step charging, if he was to put in the two missing phase he would have it, I think.

Well, this is all for now, happy expirementing everyone 8),
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H2Opower,

On the Richi Burnet pages, you read all about completely discharging of the capacitor by the spark.
How do you see that happen on a WFC? When i take my pulse of the wfc is still holding lots of charge...
Actually, as i wrote in my new topic of unregulated DC, the WFC works as a smoothing cap on my bridge rectifier..
You suggest to fully discharge the wfc?

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