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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2008, 14:50:44 pm »

CN,

It is plausible that you didnt hit the 410nm with those LEDS....
I also seen your video. You are pointing the LEDS into the water.
I think it is better to point the LEDS into the gastube on top of your cell.
Just point on the GAS as close as possible.

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Hopefully this will shed some light  ;D on the subject.

With gamma rays and protons you have to consider the medium you are traveling through. You have to deal with what is called "half-value layers" that the protons are traveling through.

Half-Value Layers cut the intensity in half. HFL's quickly attenuate intensity.

Click --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Value_Layer

In laymen terms, when using iridium 192 isotope for x-ray, for example, 1.75" of concrete will cut the intensity in half or 0.5" of steel will cut the intensity in half or 0.19" of lead will cut the intensity in half. I've had clients wanting me to x-ray pipe welds when they were full of water. I never did have good success with this even with increasing the exposure time 10-20 times that I would normally expose the pipe weld without water in it.

Nuclear reactors also use water as the primary shielding agent because of the half-value layers for radiation safety and protection. Also Lead and a lot of concrete.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2008, 01:44:32 am »
Check this out!

Click --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/756433/laser_flashlight_hack/

This red laser will burn your eyes out. Be careful.

Will the red laser ignite the HHO gas?

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Here's a link to purchase the holder in the minimag. --> http://www.mfgcn.com/ (Just scroll down) They have some good prices, however, blue ray diodes cost $140.00 bucks

Here's alternative source for blue ray diode lasers --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/906366/blu_ray_laser_phaser/

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L.A.S.E.R.  --> Light Amplicifation by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

Basically you get a heavilly doped carrier which when stimulated will cause an electron to shift orbit around the atom, it cannot remain in this higher orbit so must drop back, as it does so the quantum shift dictates that the electron must release its excess energy, as energy cannot be created nor destroyed the energy is liberated as a function of the wavelength of the quantum leap itself generally a multiple of 1/4 or 1/2 the wavelength. Thus the excess energy is released as light. As the quantum jump is dictated purely by the atoms themselves and if the laser material is pure enough then the light will be all of one wavelength. Also built into the laser is a fully reflecting mirror on one end and a 50% reflecting mirror on another, this creates a standing wave inside the laser where light bounces back and forth inside the laser material. Due to these two effects the light is 1) Very pure and 2) In phase. As such it can and will cause retina damage if viewed directly even if the laser is not visible to the human eye. Low power lasers can cause lower damage but care should always be taken to observe strict precautions.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2008, 09:25:47 am »
Check this out!

Click --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/756433/laser_flashlight_hack/

This red laser will burn your eyes out. Be careful.

Will the red laser ignite the HHO gas?

-------------------------------------------

Here's a link to purchase the holder in the minimag. --> http://www.mfgcn.com/ (Just scroll down) They have some good prices, however, blue ray diodes cost $140.00 bucks

Here's alternative source for blue ray diode lasers --> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/906366/blu_ray_laser_phaser/

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L.A.S.E.R.  --> Light Amplicifation by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

Basically you get a heavilly doped carrier which when stimulated will cause an electron to shift orbit around the atom, it cannot remain in this higher orbit so must drop back, as it does so the quantum shift dictates that the electron must release its excess energy, as energy cannot be created nor destroyed the energy is liberated as a function of the wavelength of the quantum leap itself generally a multiple of 1/4 or 1/2 the wavelength. Thus the excess energy is released as light. As the quantum jump is dictated purely by the atoms themselves and if the laser material is pure enough then the light will be all of one wavelength. Also built into the laser is a fully reflecting mirror on one end and a 50% reflecting mirror on another, this creates a standing wave inside the laser where light bounces back and forth inside the laser material. Due to these two effects the light is 1) Very pure and 2) In phase. As such it can and will cause retina damage if viewed directly even if the laser is not visible to the human eye. Low power lasers can cause lower damage but care should always be taken to observe strict precautions.

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Hi Flag,

I have one one those and they are nice to play with...But you are right. We have to be carefull with those things...Watch your eyes!
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I keep myself up to the 4 frequency LEDS, that i published here. I already orderd 2 x 20 LEDS. Still hunting for the other 2 freq.
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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2008, 14:17:44 pm »
ok people,

I finished my research for the LEDS.
I hope i made the right choices.
I wrote all info here, but it is on your own risk,if you wanna order them too.
I just orderd my LEDS, so I can start doing some tests with them.

http://www.superbrightleds.com
434nm =
RL5-P0345 Pink LED
PINK Super Bright Led
440 nm / 300 mcd / 45 Degree Viewing Angle

656.46nm =
RL5-R2415 Red LED
RED Super Bright Led
660 nm / 2400 mcd / 15 Degree Viewing Angle
 
http://www.besthongkong.com
486nm =
BUCYC333W20BA08 20 480 3.5 Clear Cyan 6000 20
410nm=
BUVC333W20WUVG 20 405 3.5 Clear  UV 15mW 20

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2008, 00:05:39 am »
just thinking out loud..........I have seen the youtube videos of plasma created in a microwave oven, obviously microwaved water just makes steam, but has anyone tried microwaving a very small quantity of hho gas........only a small quantity as you don't want to "blow the bloody doors off"..........or using some carbon with it as a catalyste to excite the HO to break its bonds  :-\

??????

There are more ways to get hydrogen.....
This microwave thing is one of them. Its not the way I walk at this moment. If you wanna try it, just go for it.

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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2008, 00:22:55 am »
Can you please explain a little further………..reading up about ultraviolet light I understand that electromagnetic radiation has more energy the shorter its wave length. UV in the upper atmosphere collides and causes oxygen to form into ozone. A statement I found on wikipedia says that uv light with an energy of 10 electron volts or higher, “ are collectively called ionizing radiation since the energy in any such light quantum is high enough to 'kick' an electron out of an atom” however the only available uv light source I can find are from mercury lamps at 247nm, about 7 electron volts, too low to be classed as ionizing. To produce higher frequencies needs massive investment….
Ref:
 http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/01/28/bright-future-for-extreme-ultraviolet-lights

your leds appear to be only 5 electron volts at 410nm so not enough, 100nm wave length would be needed to achieve 10 e volts..............

i don't understand !!!  please help.......

Hi enlightening

The setup is going to be: 10 LEDS each for every frequency.
So, my LEDS tube will contain 40 LEDS of 4 different frequencys.
I orderd 20 of each, so if 10 doesnt work, i will add another 10 of each....

The amount of Electron Volts needed to make the electrons to leave the proton is 13.4 EV, btw....

My goal is to get the electrons feeding them selves with the right light/energy/photons, so they can move to outer orbits.
I am not sure if i can achieve that they will leave the protons entirly....(not sure if i can create 13.4EV)

The frequencys are well choosen. These are the frequencys who are absorbed by the hydrogen molecule.
100nm is not absorbed and will pass the molecule .


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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2008, 11:44:31 am »
Question………from what I now understand the energy level of the electron can be increased as you are trying but apparently the effect is not long lasting…..how long ?

I thought I read in your posts that you would expect the colour of the energised gas to appear red / pink……I can’t find that statement now, but I believe the colour change would only appear if the hydrogen atoms had actually been ionised and lost its electron.

I do not know either how long these electrons stay in higher orbits. I do know that Stan Meyer used an electron extraction circuit to collect the freed electrons. First i thought, and i also proved it, that it was for in the water. You can regain some power out the water after you charged it. But in this case, i am more and more confinced that the whole trick is to get as much Hydrogen Ions as possible. Therefore we have to get ride of the electrons. When you consume the free electrons, you will have less of them for the always happening recombining proces.

So, we have to get the electrons into higher orbits, or even to get them flying out of orbit. Catch the freed electrons with some kind of coil and put a lightbulp on that to consume the electrons.
HV also ionizes the gas, so if you have a combi of those 2 technics, we might get what we want.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2008, 12:22:31 pm »
Oke, very good info.

Stan also mentioned this aligning of poles..
If that is what gets the higher energy state.....

I will read you posted URL tonight..Lets talk further on this!

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