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The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« on: May 27, 2008, 10:52:12 am »
Hi to you all,

The next step towards running an engine on Hydroxy is to change the state of the hydrogen.
The gas that comes out our WFC's is weak. Yes, it explodes badly, if you are not carefull, but still weak.
That means that you need lots of it. Many liters per minute and many amps to do so.

What did Stan Meyer do? He found out that you can change te state of the H2 atoms into H1
What does that mean?
For this you need to know what an hydrogen atom is and looks like.
See attached picture.

How did we get these crazy hydrogen atoms?
As the Universe expanded after its origin in a Big Bang, the hot soup of fundamental particles (such as free protons and electrons) started to cool down.  This allowed electrons and protons to pair up and form "neutral hydrogen atoms," (i.e. hydrogen atoms with one electron and one proton).  This process of pairing up is called "Recombination" and it occurred about 400,000 years after the Big Bang.  As the free electrons were now bound to protons, light could travel freely since it was no longer stopped by frequent scattering off the free electrons. 
(info: Nasa)

Hydrogen is our most simple atom we have.
So, we have 1 proton and 1 electron.

Now, what is the difference between a H2 and H1    (no, they are not HUMMERS  ;))
Its all about the orbit of the electron around the proton.
As you can see on the picture of the Bohr model, we have different kinds of orbits in were the electron can move.
n1, n2, n3, n4, n5


The closer the orbit to the proton, the lower energy state it is in.
So, we want to move the electron from the inner orbit to the outer orbits.

How do we do that?
How do you move and electron from inner to outer orbit?

What you should know, is that an electron releases light (photon particles) when is moves to the inner orbits.
So, what would happen, if you add photon particles to the electron?
YES, it moves to the outer orbits where they become more energized.
Electrons turning around them selfs. They turn around quicker in the outer orbit then on the inner orbit.

Ok, so we have to add photons particles.
What do we need to know from those little creatures?
We need to know that the electron around a proton consumes only some specific light-frequency's
Every orbit has its own frequency as you can see on the picture.
Stan used lasers.
We can whatever is possible. Make your own nitrogen laser, like somebody proposed..
Or use LEDS :)   

Now you know why Stan Meyer used LEDS in his latest stuff.
I think i told it all now.
Go find LEDS, or lasers and combine them with High voltage and kick those electrons in higher orbits.
When you solve that part, you can run an engine.


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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 14:54:54 pm »

 Then, apparently you are looking to run on straight Hydrogen, NOT HHO ???

  I PM'ed You, Stevie1001, and also Hydrocars, that I had the straight Hydrogen info on amounts per cylinder, to run a 350 cid Chevy v-8, and got no response.

  IF this is info wanted or needed, I will 2 finger type it out, and post it later tonight. Maybe I finally have something useful to add to this project ??  Gotta go saw some logs now.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 16:54:08 pm »

 Then, apparently you are looking to run on straight Hydrogen, NOT HHO ???

  I PM'ed You, Stevie1001, and also Hydrocars, that I had the straight Hydrogen info on amounts per cylinder, to run a 350 cid Chevy v-8, and got no response.

  IF this is info wanted or needed, I will 2 finger type it out, and post it later tonight. Maybe I finally have something useful to add to this project ??  Gotta go saw some logs now.

Yes, please! This info is very welcome, Haroldcr

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 19:18:26 pm »
ok stevie i guess ill get in this discussion with my subpar cell and 3"x3" container---just for testing, learning.

but here is my question where do you introduce your leds, lasers, photons

im just a blue collar guy so if you could draw a diagram it would be greatly appreciated

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 19:57:47 pm »
Awesome, thanks for the great info!!!

 I really think solid state (LED) lasers are the way to go....To me they seem much safer than the nitrogen laser....I'm sure the nitrogen laser works, I believe that's what herman anderson used, but at the same time his laser produced a soft x ray which required some shielding as i have read.

Also, after seeing your hydrogen atom drawing it makes me wonder if stan used multiple colors of lasers, or if the revolving lens (I forget what he calls it) in front of the laser changes the  light intensity (color) of the laser so only 1 is needed to be used instead of multiple ones.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 20:27:18 pm »
Awesome, thanks for the great info!!!

 I really think solid state (LED) lasers are the way to go....To me they seem much safer than the nitrogen laser....I'm sure the nitrogen laser works, I believe that's what herman anderson used, but at the same time his laser produced a soft x ray which required some shielding as i have read.

Also, after seeing your hydrogen atom drawing it makes me wonder if stan used multiple colors of lasers, or if the revolving lens (I forget what he calls it) in front of the laser changes the  light intensity (color) of the laser so only 1 is needed to be used instead of multiple ones.

Thanks.
I also believe that this is the safe way to go.
I am trying to find the right LEDS. The idea is to use at least 10 of them on a row. 4 colors, as written in the Bohr model.

Jared: I will start to use these LEDS on Hydroxy gas. Not in the waterfuelcell it self.


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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 20:37:10 pm »
dont mean to be a dummy but what kind of apparattus are you referring to, will each atom need to be subjected to the light, will the atoms revert to original state after time, what type of container will you use, what gain will you see with the excited atoms

exactly what is hydroxy

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 20:54:40 pm »
dont mean to be a dummy but what kind of apparattus are you referring to, will each atom need to be subjected to the light, will the atoms revert to original state after time, what type of container will you use, what gain will you see with the excited atoms

exactly what is hydroxy

Hydroxy: mix of hydrogen and oxygen. Thats the gas you get out of your waterfuelcell.

The natural properties of these electrons, is that they always go back towards the proton.
I will suggest that we use a SS tube or a Mylar tube of 0.5 inch diam and 3 inches long.
Drill 40 holes in it of 5mm diam. Use 5mm leds.
Seal all LEDS with epoxy. This way you get a tube with LEDS that is air tight.
Connect that tube as close as you can to your engine or torch.
These are my thoughts. I am bussy getting all components for this.
Its new. Nobody tried it, except for Mr Meyer, i ll suppose.....

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