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Re: Your Design
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2008, 22:32:02 pm »
Flaghole, the cell your about to build  is pretty close to the one I built
execpt my mesure were slightly higher.

My wall thickness is 1/8 and 36" long  with 8" dia.
Tubes are 1.5" and 1.25" at .064 thickness 27" long.
I used plumber gasket for spacers.

My problem is when connected in // the cell draws around 100 amps no pwm.  straight DC  --  I also get a lot of sluge :(
when connected in series, .8 amp but no production :(

100 amp will burn you generator, it is extremely high.

1. Connect in series.
2. Do not use tap water.
3. Use rain or destiled water and little bit KOH (Vinager), that will increase your 0.8 Amp.
4. Try to use PWM, it is going to help you to establish a suitable frequency. Later, probably, won't use KOH.

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 14:08:32 pm »
If you are formulating cells for resonance I would like to recommend not to forget the fibonacci number (Golden measure, golden rule, or whatever you wish to call it). 

1 X 1.618

If the width is 1' then the length is 1.618'  or some derivative of these two.

This number appears in nature and man-made things very often.

I was researching fibonacci/resonance/vibration and located this. It's a c/p that I thought some might be interested in reviewing.

Sounds like there is some type of Harmonic ORDER of magic numbers for water fracture to occur. Maybe 620, then 630, finally 600.

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May 6, 1990
Dr. Andrija Puharich's vibratory method of breakin
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 May 6, 1990

Vibrations that Split Molecules
Produce Energy


Seawater - or even dirty rainwater - could be transmuted into fuel through a new technique serendipitously discovered by a researcher in medical electronics.

Dr. Andrija Puharich has found a way to split water molecules by tuning in on the vibrations of their atoms and breaking the molecules into hydrogen, which could become fuel, and oxygen.

Alternating-current impulses augment naturally occurring vibrations in the H2O molecules. By boosting the vibrations out of control, Puharich makes the molecules fly apart into the component atoms.

He likens the water-splitting effect to the way soldiers marching in step across a bridge risk damaging the structure by making it vibrate at a critical, stress-producing rate.

Electrolysis by simple direct current would create hydrogen and oxygen with a net energy efficiency of only 54 percent, according to Puharich, a Virginia-based inventor. But he says his alternating-current system reaches better than 90 per cent efficiency.

A former physician, Puharich discovered the water-splitting technique a dozen years ago but has only recently presented his findings publicly.

Originally, he was investigating the DISRUPTIVE EFFECT of electrical resonances on blood clots and noticed a peculiar thing: in dilute blood, a SPECIFIC FREQUENCY made bubbles appear in the liquid.

Lab analysis showed that the bubbles were composed of oxygen and hydrogen.

A barrel-shaped cavity contains the water in Puharich's recently refined system. He introduces alternating current at A KEY FREQUENCY of 600 cycles per second.

The cavity resonates with the impulses in somewhat the same way the body of a violin resonates with the sound of one string, ADDING HIGHER AND LOWER HARMONICS TO THE PRINCIPAL TONE.

The additional harmonics, Puharich says, cause the proton in the hydrogen atom TO ROTATE, further forcing the hydrogen to split from the oxygen.

Puharich suggests that the splitting energy could be provided by solar or wind generators. The hydrogen could then be stored and used conveniently in fuel cells or hydrogen-powered cars.

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Vangard notes...

This paper is quite astounding in that it correlates with Keelys' claim that water can be progressively dissociated at 620, 630 and 12,000 cycles per second. These are on the molecular, atomic and etheric levels respectively.

It is interesting that the etheric level of 12,000 / 20 = 600 (Puharich's frequency) found by original experimentation. This 600 cps frequency is therefore a harmonic of the 12,000 cps frequency which Puharich discovered.

Keely also claims that the disruption of water occurs at 42,800 cycles per second.


The direct quote from the book "Keely and His Discoveries" by Bloomfield Moore, published in 1893 ;

"The orders of intensification for accelerating dissociation would not be understood by any explanations that could be made, if unaccompanied by the demonstrations witnessed by the late Professor Leidy, Dr. Brinton, and others.

"When the ether flows from a tube, its negative centre represents molecular sub-division carrying interstitially (or between its molecules) the lowest order of liberated ozone.

"This is the first order of ozone and its wonderfully refreshing and vitalizing to those who breathe it.

"The second order, or atomic separation, releases a much higher grade of ozone; in fact, too pure for inhalation, is the one that has been (though attended withe much danger to the operator) utilized by Keely in his carbon register to produce the circuit of high vibration that breaks up the molecular magnetism which is recognized as cohesion.

"The acceleration of these orders is governed by the introductory impulse on a certain combination of vibratory chords, arranged for this purpose in the instrument, with which Keely dissociates the elements of water, and which he calls a Liberator.

"In molecular dissociation one fork of 620 is used, setting the chords on the first octave.

"In atomic separation two forks, one of 620 and one of 630 per second; setting the chords on the second octave.

"In the etheric three forks; one of 620, one of 630, and one of 12,000, setting the chords on the third octave.

As a matter of further clarification, Keely states that you cannot DIRECTLY dissociate a single level of aggregation due to the shell structure of matter.

In other words, if you wish to dissociate the Atomic level, you must first dissociate the molecular to be able to get to the atomic. That follows also if you wish to dissociate the etheric, you must disrupt the molecular AND the atomic, THEN the etheric.

Keely refers to this technique as progressive dissociation.

In 1988, we had Andrija Puharich in Dallas for about 4 days as a joint speaker for Vangard Sciences and MUFON Metroplex. We spent many hours with Andrija and discussed a wide variety of subjects.

At that time, I asked him about this experiment and he said the original research was done in the late 50's, early 60's by him in a dual attempt. One was to selectively remove gases from the blood and the other to dissolve clots.

Andrija had not heard of Keely or his work with dissociation or disruption of matter with acoustic frequencies. He was quite interested that the work had been done almost 100 years ago and wanted to know more about Keely.

Dr. Puharich has dropped out of sight over the last few years, so we have lost contact with him. He was at that time (1988) very concerned about the ecology and was working on some type of retreat for future hard times.

They were re-building an old hydro-electric power system fed by a small lake on the land they had in Virginia. Puharich at that time was living on land donated by R. J. Reynolds.

We heard recently that Reynolds was attempting to get the land back. Since we have not seen or heard from Andrija in about 2 years, we don't know what is going on with him.

We hope this information is of use in your researches.

As with all Vangard information and KeelyNet text files, you are free to reproduce or distribute as you wish.

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2009, 01:43:14 am »
Hey! here my desing im working on. With around 2 teaspoon of baking soda im getting around 14 amp at 12V with two of those device in serie. Planinng to get up to 6 if thing goes well  :D. It produce a very good amount of HH but not sure how much... maybe 1L/min (for 2 units). Hope u like. If some of u are interested i can take some pictures of it. Oh i forget to say that it separate the hydrogen from the oxygen   ::) ... in the pictures all the plates to the right are connected togetter and same for those on left

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2009, 02:42:46 am »
Fred,
I bet your cell doesn't produce any scum.  What are you using as the fabric?

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2009, 04:54:22 am »
Fred4321

If you're going to use an additive, Use lye or koh.
Baking soda forms a corrosive gas,
That mixes with the hydroxy.
And eats up your valve, intake, heads, ect   :P

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2009, 13:33:27 pm »
Hey! here my desing im working on. With around 2 teaspoon of baking soda im getting around 14 amp at 12V with two of those device in serie. Planinng to get up to 6 if thing goes well  :D. It produce a very good amount of HH but not sure how much... maybe 1L/min (for 2 units). Hope u like. If some of u are interested i can take some pictures of it. Oh i forget to say that it separate the hydrogen from the oxygen   ::) ... in the pictures all the plates to the right are connected togetter and same for those on left

Hi fred,

Again, welcome to the ionizationx forum!

About your design, we have not many tests here with seperation of H and O, so we are very interested in your results.
So, yes, please, put some pictures of your project on here!
If you need any help, please ask.
I have made a project place for you where you can put all your stuff.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/board,160.0.html

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Re: Your Design
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2009, 04:56:06 am »
fast reply  :D.
To  Johnbostick: Right!  the water just become a little orange cause of the baking soda. I used a piece of silk but some other fabric with very small hole are also good just for having a good current that goes to one side to the other and for stopping the hydrogen or the oxygen going to the other side.
To Spike: Thanks for the advice but are u sure koh is better in the electrolysis process, I mean in the air  :P
To Stevie1001: Thanks ill take a look and put some pictures soon

sorry for my english hope u can all understand what im saying lol  :D

Fred