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Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« on: October 09, 2018, 16:36:57 pm »
The Multi-Tier Mag Gas EPG is perhaps the least copied of Stanley Meyer's electron particle generator devices.
Although at least four people have shown images of their replicas of various single tier systems, the 6
tier Mag gas plasma device displayed in the mid 1980's , replications have not been presented or
perhaps net even attempted due to the lack of clear images or information on how to construct the
device. or for proprietary reasons .

High resolution photography of the Mechanical Drive EPG and  subsequent EPG devices has enabled
various experimenters to construct replications of the devices. However,  none been shown have been shown
(at least publically) to functional as yet.

The dearth of knowledge about the electronics, characteristics of the magnetic media, and method
of construction have been elusive and expensive for those attempting a build of the multi-tier

After the mid 1980's, very little public information is seen. Because of the basic lack of information
attempts to build and exact replica may not be possible.  However, that does not mean that
reasonable attempts are futile. Much can be learned in the attempts regarding the method of
construction. In inventions function follow form and vice versa.

Using the available public materials and information, what follows is an attempt to show how such a
device be could designed and produced. Admittedly, this may result in the construction of a device
that is non-functional. After all, there is much more information available for  the construction of other
less complex  Electro-magnetic Particle Generators  (EPG) replications.
What follows is a compilation of available information from a number of sources, both public
and private, help from other researchers who for reasons of their own such as NDA's, proprietary
constraints, humility, or perhaps a small degree of paranoia prefer to work in the background.
The information available consist of perhaps a half dozen photographs, video clips, two non-classified
patents and a number of high resolution photographs of analogous devices released from a visit
to the Stanley Meyer estate.

" 1. Construction of the magnetic material passage way

For this  portion of the build, a large quantity of  copper pipe was required.
The six tier system requires six times as much tubing as the earlier single tube
EPG series and assemblies.

Since the previous EPG  replications have seemed to cluster in the 16 to 18
inch range  for  the diameter of the copper spiral, this is a good starting point
for estimation of the amount of tubing required for the 6 tier device

From photographs, there appear to be six tiers with perhaps 3 to 3.5 loops
per spiral. Additionally there appear to be vertical drain and input tubing..

So for an initial estimate: of copper tubing required:

 (6  tiers  )  x  ( 1.5 ft diameter of tier)  x  (  3.14)  x  3 turns per tier =  84.7 feet
 The device appears to be under 3 ft tall so adding another 6 feat or so to account
 for visible feed and drainage  tubing results in an initial estimate  of  about 90 feet
of copper pipe  being required.

So 2  fifty foot coils of tubing ( a common sales package sizr) may sufficient for spiral

It  is recommended that a slightly larger diameter tubing be used than what was used in the
original device since even a small increase in cross sectional area would be expected increase
flow rate for magnetic gas or slurry.  In this case about 75% increase in flux line traversal.

Additionally, the use of coiled tubing minimizes the amount of bending need to form the spiral

 A ten foot lengths of tubing  is required for the vertical drain and feed connectors between the tiers.
Since there are six tiers, make 5 vertical connector assemblies   

 See vertical connector assembly  picture  Fig 1  (six inch tube and 2 "L's")  which  are used to link two
 spiral tiers together.  The drain outlet from one tier is affixed to the inlet of the tier above it.

It is noticed that in a line drawing of the device that the vertical connecting tubes  seem to be
staggered.  This may have been for mechanical stability or some other reason.  In this construction
the KISS method was followed.  Make six spirals with about eight extra inches for trimming or for
fitting adjustments

The line drawing shows connecting lines that are staggered  180 degrees on alternate tiers
but there is no need to do that unless you choose to make spiral tiers with 3 and 1/2 loops
Any loss of structural rigidity causes by placing them in a vertical row can be addressed
by bracing between the tiers  180 degrees or opposite the drain connectors.
About 20 elbows, some lengths of pipe, to connect vertical feed tubes , spiraled tiers and pump
assemblies in the finished device

Silver solder or PC3 air conditioning brazing rods are recommended due to their
mechanical strength and melting points.

Follow the picture and/or line diagram for general construction form.

A temporary brazing rig can be constructed from PVC pipe with will later be glued into a permanent
support structure..

PVC support structure

For ease of construction, PVC was selected for this version. This was easy to cut using a
mitre box and a hacksaw.  Schedule 40 is a heavier more robust grade or thickness was selected.
When purchasing get the 1/2 inside  diameter pipe which is about 3/4  O.D.
due to its thick walls.

Cut 18 nine inch sections  of schedule 40  PVC  pipe for horizontal support struts.

Cut 18  4 inch sections of pvc pipe for vertical spacing of the spirals
Buy sufficient"Tees" to  a hexagon cage structure to hold the spirals for
soldering. About 24 should be enough depending on the amount of
cross braces installed for the vertical pump assembly.

Nylon ties can hold the  the parts together during this assembly process but in this version
friction fit was usually good enough.

Avoid gluing anything since the structure needs a little flexibility to account for
small measuring errors, variations in how far the struts are pushed into the tees when
ultimately cemented or glued until all the permanent bracing , pumps  vertical,connectors and
electronics are installed.

The basic concept here is to build a  PVC scaffold-like structure or tower until the magnetic plasma
conduits are brazed together. The basic building block of this scaffold is composed of a nine inch
section of pvc pipe, two tee connectors and two six inch lengths of pvc pipe and formed into a "u"
shaped unit.  The nine inch piece is inserted into the middle holes of the tees, with the end holes
fitting into adjacent units.

Design Consideration of PVC Cage

The hexagon shape was selected because of its economy of materials used
to enclose a circular area using linear struts. Also multiple units in larger pwer
arrays can be placed in a honey comb fashion

By using a three point attachment of the spiral conduits to the scaffolding
additional structural rigidity is obtained.

"Assembly of  conduit and PVC cage"

Composite or non-magnetic all thread may be inserted into the pvc vertical supports
to make the support structure more robust  and easier attachment to the Perspex(r) base
in the final assembly.  The reason for the use of non-magnetic all thread is to minimize magnetic coupling
between tiers.
A material such as iron in this case would function a "keeper"which shunts magnetic lines of  force
 and flux between the tiers which is something to be avoided. It is thought that this magnetic coupling
might cause a disruption of the dyne axis of the magnetic carrier from one tier to the one below it.
This coupling  can result in BEMF between tiers and could  add to resistance to flow as well as disruption
 to lines of force in the gas or slurry when circulated. Electrical sparking between would not be expected at the design
voltage  of 220 volts. However due to the increased cross sectional area of the spiral tubing being used the higher
amperage of approximately 500 amps   ( (Stan stated the amp draw for his device as 200 to 300 amps at 220 volts) 
 300 x 1.78 = 534 amp draw estimate  so larger gauge output conduct\wiring is needed.) (Cross sectional area of
tubing is 78% large than Stan's original device.)

 The original device operated on the mains voltage of  110 VAC for the pump.. The mag gas once magnetized retains it's
 magnetic properties due to the clustering effect in the gas matrices. Slurry systems  ( such as the EFH1 series required
 powering the alignment coils before and after the pumps
"Winding coils"

Commercial toroidal coil winding machines are expensive such as a Jovil (r) system which even
in used condition is over 3000 USD.  A home experimenter would probably be better served
by constructing one that are seen on various HHO sites if  one wanted to use this method of
construction. But there are a number of methods that backyard builders can utilize to wind
coils. ( A small motor controlled by a sewing machine foot speed control  or a bobbin attached
to a variable speed drill or other similar constructions)

"EPG analogues"
     1.Mechanical Drive:
        a. Determination of wire gauge and wind count  ( See Gabel Pictures) Use photogrammetry Determine wire gauge, number of winds visible, estimated depth apply winding formula for packing
        b. get estimate of wire cross section, gauge or circular mils needed for the 1 mechanical drive EPG  then multiply by six plus additional fraction because a large tube is being used

Moving the Magnetic Medium"
      2  magnetic linear drives   ( Similar in concept to naval MHD) were used in several of Stan's
        other EPG systems

c s\Selection of Slurry 

    The EFH-1 seen in photographs of the Stanley Meyer estate is currently produced by Ferro-Tec It is thought
    to consists of a light hydrocarbon base similar to kerosene, finely ground magnetite and oleic acid as a suspending agent
    It is relatively stable with a low viscosity and good magnetic susceptibility. Its presence in Stan's  laboratory is spill corrosion
    matching cupric oxalate and a tag on one of the EPG's labeled 1 and 1/4 cup as point to a liquid being used or
   tried in the EPG's. and photographs showing the purchase of at least 1000 ml of the EFH-1
a.  Quic Calculation and sizing of  mechanical pump  six tier system pump
      For this build a larger size 5/8 refrigerator pipe with a value of 0.0162 cubic feet  volume per linear foot\
     Roughly 88 plus 6 feet or 94  rounded to 100 feet   therefore 1.62 cubic feet to fill the  six tier system
     Since the flow rate is reported as 90 ips for a 3 phase system lets see if we can calculate gallons per hour needed in terms of pump capacity
    Since the cross sectional area is area is 78% larger than the mechanical pump design  with 134 gph with and the flow rate is  90 ips instead of 50   
   134 x  1.78 x  1.8 = 429 gph

  So it appears as though  the little giant mechanical pump might be able to pump the fero fluid in this system
if one chose to use that type of magnetic fluid.     However there is no public proof that these devices worked as claimed

Suggeste d Reading

The Canadian and US patents on Electrical Particle Generators"

Click on a photo attachments       the third photo image is especially helpful in calculating pump sizing

1. vertical connector on six tier system
2 scaffold building piece. PVC
3 Stan's comment on velocity of magnetic material
4 Six tier spirals prior to build
5 Completed scaffold pieces
6 Spirals in scaffold
7 EPG mag drive
8 Little Giant B500 and pressure gauge
9 Little /Giant B500 and pressure guage
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Re: Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 17:08:22 pm »
hey g

Thanks for the tip on the direction of the flow vis a vis the hemisphere in which the device is operated
The earth's magnetism may be being used to assist circulation within the device. I am not sure about the magnitude
but the earth's magnetic field is certainly free and can increase or impede flow to a small degree just as there
is an opposing force when trying to move a gyroscope from its spin axis.