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My water engine project is on going. I'm duplicating  the 2008 mower engine conversion set up of Nathren,  Georgia) as S1R9A9M9. Maximum 20-24kv DC, maximum 6 amps DC through spark plug, and diodes protection for power supply and battery. Timing has to be after TDC. I'm using 12hp Briggs  riding mower engine that has ring dual alternator . Capacitor discharge ignition type, is in microsecond output range,  while induction type ignition coil is in milliseconds. The S1R9A9M9 coil assy provides magnetic field that stretches the spark time, so as more compatible with conversion of water to water vapor pressure. 18HP Briggs engine is on You tube from 2008 + sounds like a water pump. I studied his set up with series inductor coils in Hi Voltage  line,  and web site,  so as can answer a few of your questions.
 From Russ ..New York.
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 10:16:23 am »
There was a guy who visit Nathen and got the original engine in hands. Together with Nathen they tried to re start it again.
It did not work.
The question is why......
Is making a youtube movie of a fake water using engine so funny?
Or did Nathen really not wanna share?


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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2018, 10:20:50 am »
after all these years of collecting info and doing tests, my best gues would be that you keep a dc current on the sparkplug in such a way that it creates a bit of hho in a constant way, probably similar to the Meyer sparkplug injector.
Then add on top of the dc the normal ignition voltage for the bang spark....
Then you have that plasma spark amd a bit of hho that would create a reaction with the waterdrops..

a thermo explosion reaction.
Run you engine first hot on petrol before you do the watertesting.....Believe me....it makes a diff.


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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 07:40:57 am »
You Tube video #4 was regarding a retest of same 18HP Briggs using the S1R9A9M9 coil assy , water, and light bulb as circuit electrical  load ohms resistance. You have to back up a ways to understand what really happened. Nathren was owner of electricians service shop business , but a non technical person. He had  actual technicians that did most of work in his shop on the 1978 car conversion, v8 engine on stand conversion, and 18HP riding mower engine conversion to water vapor pressure. He had a write up on the circuit done and a legal format, so that it's dated as his work at that time. The website is only a question and answer message board, not a detailed method. He never wanted to reveal outright the total designs. For Video #4, only the originator would fully know all the wiring done and reasons why, to make it work.  Nathren had  hooked his transformer up from DC battery  through the primary side of transformer and through DC light bulb. This would never work for video #4. All techs know that only AC or Pulsing on + off DC will run a transformer. Also later on,  when his visitor "hot shot" mechanic  came to his address from 1000 miles away to check claims on Briggs engine, Nathren briefly agreed to show his mower engine but only to a point.  During that  next engine video, it was never tested to see if it would run at all on any fuel. No proof that there was any compression. The engine didn't run. The later video #5 engine tare down showed stuck valves, so as compression not viable. So much for visiting self claimed qualified mechanics . That later time Visitor was told about a resonance between one side of coil (primary) and 12vDC fan motor used as resistance load when hooked to battery and engine would run. Of course it didn't run then either in that video. In the  workshop, another means could have been used, if the real ORIGINAL MOTOR armature had two points of wire snipped on commutator at 180 degrees apart, the wave form of spinning motor on oscilloscope shows on + off DC when connected to ground.  This would run a transformer and have an inherent self resistance. 
Video #1 -2008-The plastic tub hanging on side of engine contained the S1R9A9M9 coils, and a double coils relay for Hi V line. Two wires enter at top - Hi V line from alternate higher voltage ignition coil set up , and Plus 12vDC line from battery on the ground. They are covered with spiral black electrical tape. White wire at bottom goes to spark plug. The extension cord wire attaches to tub, but only used in video #2 if induction was needed, and grounded. When started, battery disconnected, and engine runs on power from "dual" on board alternator DC 10 amps. (Inverter box not connected)
No, it was not funny to see a video #4 made with a non running engine, unless Nathren decided not to share data, and put end to this, and his  techs project by showing non running engine. He was also afraid of other people getting hurt from car battery explosions trying to recreate the circuit. He could of also hooked it up wrong because he did not at all know the proper way to run a transformer.
Video #1-2008 used direct connection of high voltage through circuit to battery terminals during starting of #18 HP engine . It worked, but dangerous.
 Video #2 -2008 used some  (type) of  induction method for primary because he (Nathren) said it ran both ways in both videos. His website on Yahoo- Groups- WaterFuel1978 was written up as circuit  ONLY by induction method. I'm inclined to believe his 18HP ran with direct connection in both videos #1 + #2 on You Tube video.  S1R9A9M9.  There  is a lot more data I discovered  during study of his particular project (sparking water)if one sends specific questions.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 08:31:46 am »
it seems you did your homework well on that setup.
Do you have any idea when you might try it?

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