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« Reply #72 on: June 27, 2018, 11:13:36 am »
it looks like that somebody got back the holy fire

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« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2018, 15:45:52 pm »
it looks like that somebody got back the holy fire

thats the way i feel Steve, its being a while since this fire was sleeping inside me =D

I have study more and more bro and i found the following situation... there is two ways of getting the pulse powerful

T1

L1= 30t   12awg or 4 18awg in parallel
L2=90t    18awg

L3= 90t (coil after the diode in series connecting to anode) 18awg
T2
Choke parallel = 90t (not on same core single coil)  (connected between after the diode before the L3 and to the other side of the secondary coil and cell cathode) 18awg
in this system the amps of the discharge is the same as charging...

a second circuit involves a second transformation or voltage doubling that extends the voltage and turns out clear how to proceed with the matching of the impedance to get the most energy into the cell

T1

L1=30t    12awg  or 4 x 18awg in parallel

L2=90t    18awg

L3=180t    22awg   (coil after the diode in series connecting to anode)

T2

Choke 1 parallel = 90t (connected in parallel with the secondary after the diode and before the L3)  18awg
Choke 2 Series=90t (connected between the choke parallel connection with secondary and cathode)  22awg

like if it was not clear the choke 1 one charges up with current while the other forces the applied voltage to cell up during pulse on and during pulse off they sum for discharge in series with the cell therefor there is a voltage doubling and the amps become half of it was thats why the L2 is now 180 turns! because choke 1 +2 form 180 too

all the dots are summing always (one direction only)

a L4 can be added with maybe higher turns to get the ionization voltage (connected thru a diode having the arrow in the direction of the cell but with the dot pointing to ground) a capacitor can be added in parallel with this diode to limit dv/dt rise

did you agree on this way of using the coils?

for getting a higher voltage out it will be required for us to develop the multiple open switch with si tyristors just like the nanopulse patent...

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« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2018, 17:09:47 pm »
i think i am not qualified enough to say if it is good or not.
I have a love hate relationship with chokes etc.
If the game is to get higher voltage then 13v into the cell, so we can ionize the hydrogen atom into an ion, ill guess many options are possible.
The eec is needed to remove the removed electrons from the waterbath.
If we use 20khz high voltage pulse from a whatever transformer, you can use chokes to soft up those pulses a bit.
Thats why they are named chokes.
I think that leaking a bit of current is not a problem as long as you reach the hydrogen atoms...

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« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2018, 18:41:42 pm »
My strategy with this ckt is to first charge the water aligning the molecules with the low voltage field ... in the case of the example 1 it was 180v dc pulse using a 30v input because it works as a step up of 6 since it has two coils on the T1
On the second example the double choke also double the input voltage to the chokes and reduce the amps by half and to match the impedance the discharge of the T1 being L3 coil must be double too thereto the sum of the voltages to charge the water cell become 360v

.. a resistive choke can be added in series to reduce this charging current of the cell but this should have a diode in parallel to allow the high current discharge when it comes...

check the circuit diagrams i think you will have a clear understand of what i mean, notice the amperage i specified at each section of the circuit:

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reset pulse transformer check this document!!!!
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« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2018, 15:35:45 pm »
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,3067.new.html#new

i have developed in the past a circuit to collapse voltages with normal high voltage tyristors

this reduce the requirement of the igbt voltage because the thyristor absorbs all the power theoretically and this makes things much easier as it can simply be put on a heat sync

of course in parallel with the thyristors i will still use the tvs but they can be set at a much higher voltage and the pulse is shorter so needs less dissipation over them ...

the higher is the thyristor voltage the better

i believe if we could use a 5 to 8kv thyristor is already good enough ..

could any of you buy one or more and send to me?

using it would become possible to switch lower voltages to the cell with higher amps by not needing to step up the voltage

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« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2018, 23:19:41 pm »
I tried today to buy some wire I got 1.5kg of 18 awg and 500g of the 22awg wire ... The 12 awg they didnt have so I will use 18awg and split the primary between the coils to maximize coupling

I found a very good quality core that was off price so cheap and so I could get 4 pairs and they have a pretty nice coil former from fhe same manifactor so its perfect
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their model is NEE 65/33/26-7200 material IP12 i decided to get this because the EE core seems to provide a better coupling and it was an intermediari size from the other cores i already have here... is good to know everything about the core so it can be better used for design and compare with cores we dont know...

basically i got some insulation tape too and all together it went to 300 reais.. something like 75 dollars but i will pay in two months because i used the credit card..

i´m revolutionizing my space reorganizing all it was a very big mess... i´m trying to find a scr i´m sure i already have since a while... it was 1.2kv 40 amps i think is just good enough to give a try

the thing about the scrs is so important in this technology is because they are current triggered and not voltage triggered therefore they wont burn on a voltage spike easily...

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2018, 19:40:07 pm »
I found the scrs i was searching here,,, it is the 40tps12a  this is 1200v 40 amps and i will use to get the max out of the coils ..... the peak repetitive voltage is 1300 v so i will use 3 tvs in parallel with the scr to get 1200v

i´m just not sure if its going to be fast enough but from what i read in the datasheet at least 1us pulse is possible,,,