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Retry N1001
« on: May 16, 2018, 16:28:35 pm »
Hello i would like to drop here some of my theories and hypothesis as a manner to keep myself ideas organized to be able to proceed with tests and help others if want to follow and share some of the way because its going to make us all learn a lot.

I would start with the one main problem

the first main problem now for me is the frequency generator

it kind of  clear that if we are aiming to get a resonance v1 of the molecule to induce a symetric stretch on the molecule we must apply energy in a manner that it is in sync with this frequency even if only applied at sub harmonic frequencies .... the frequency is exactly 3227 cm-1 wavenumber or around 98.THZ for liquid water

the duration of the pulse also is important if we want to get this oscillation go well too because is not possible to produce such fast enough event to charge it only in the cycle it needs...

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so first confirmation of what i´m saying is meyer design of the circuits.. they are modular and enclosed in a very nice aluminum cover that is beautiful and also a faraday cage  it blocks whatever electromagnetic noise allowing the pll to work undisturbed allowing for a very stable frequency generation. Meyer had a such modular design that i believe that most of the part of his work could be a total different circuit than we found and it would still interface with the rest just with the same modular connections as such we could never have see some of the circuit.

im trying to find how to generate a stable frequency using a pll and i guess is not hard at all ...

if we make the band width very very narrow than we could change the frequency with a precision of maybe 0,0000001 or something 
but to get the resonance perfect we should have a manner to improve it to 0.0000000000001 this would be very nice

does anyone know how to do it?

if we could simply use some cristal it could get a very high precision though

but there may be a way to do a lc circuit that is what guides our frequency stability but this circuit should use a vacuum capacitor and a air coil to get more stable because temperature change would become a problem in components...

if all this is wrong than maybe is not necessary to get such precision...

the way i see it to get a proper ckt we should use a 25 turn trim pot for the vco manual frequency adjust and have a very good capacitor and components on the ckt as well... but the main important thing is to reduce the bandwidth to a very low number maybe 1 hz and use the frequency off set to manually tune to the resonance ... all this inside an aluminum box of course

maybe we kind of need two plls one for the electric resonance and one for detecting the water resonance somehow.. or maybe one main clock signal to restart the pll signal every time it start to get more precise...

please any help in finding solutions for this that is not not doing this i would appreciate








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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2018, 17:20:45 pm »
the second problem is to understand what is going at the ckt

the ckt deliver power to the water molecules in electric form and it ends up heating the water molecule vibrating it

of course there is going to be also a rotation sub sequentially as the pulse length we are going to apply could be too big

ideally we should apply the fastest powerful pulse as possible with the highest repetition rate as possible.

the repetition rate and the power of each pulse will result in the total power consumed by the system

that means is maybe not worth to use 1MHZ repetition rate with 1 watt pulses rather than 1khz 1000 watts per pulses

the system gives two different power to the cell one is dc pulses other is reverse spikes the ratio of the spikes is controlled by diode type or configuration too

during the pulse on the positive is sent to the cell thru the diode

when pulse collapse it sends this short spike to the cell

for this to be effective only tvs diodes to protect the transistor is used on the primary side but the spikes must be arranged with the impedance of the cell to get the power on the cell side... meaning that if there is too much power to dissipate on the primary side its going to require better handling with more tvs resistors there etc.. adding tvs in series raise the inverse voltage point and adding in parallel you handle current better as i explained extensively in my posts over last years

however if arranging the primary in series with the secondary is possible to get this power to go where we want easily

so basically ispossible for the secondary to collapse at 100 times the designed voltage for it if using 12 v and a 1200v igbt and this collapse voltage assuming the secondary has a low capacitance it would instantly sum with the capacitances of the chokes and bang

this ratio is also important

another manner to provide protection i just remember is to clamp the voltage too

this is a master way to get protection allowing the transformer to have a maximum collapse voltage while leaving the protection diodes undisturbed...

this is done by using a second smaller primary coil connected to the power source thru a diode... the ratio between the coils will dictate the collapse voltage multiplication factor and this multiplied by the transformer factor and input voltage gives the total secondary voltage

the impedance of the discharge ckt will be important to equilibrate the power in out and back meaning that it should last as long as capacitors of the chokes charge









 



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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2018, 17:50:59 pm »
the greatest problem in my view is to start and do the tests..

i already have hundreds of coils and how to start all over?

well i will start with the circuit because it makes sense to me to get a new one designed for this

i will try to keep it simple to not waste time that is very lacking now

i may have all the parts here but i will need to get a new one designed to make the pcb done professionaly to get more compact and stable and it will be inside an aluminum cover




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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2018, 21:46:37 pm »
Those are really high frequency's....
In ghz, you work with wave tubes, but i havent learnt anything on how to get into THZ
I even dont know if harmonics go up so high.....

Maybe you should think into sparkgap's with certain type of gas tubes.

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2018, 22:43:00 pm »
Hey Steve good to get your answer.. actually the frequency we should be using may be in the audio range as stan stated but what i was meaning is that the frequency we hit the vic should have a terrahertz precision... like a clock! if we hit the molecules aways with the same tic it will increase the resonance... this phase is important if we want to do anything with water.. so i´m thinking that the best way to go is to get something like 10khz with a precision of 0.0000000001 hertz for example ... would be quite nice a start..

im still confuse on how to get this.. do you know how precise can a pll be? and a cristal?



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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2018, 23:10:09 pm »
Hey Steve good to get your answer.. actually the frequency we should be using may be in the audio range as stan stated but what i was meaning is that the frequency we hit the vic should have a terrahertz precision... like a clock! if we hit the molecules aways with the same tic it will increase the resonance... this phase is important if we want to do anything with water.. so i´m thinking that the best way to go is to get something like 10khz with a precision of 0.0000000001 hertz for example ... would be quite nice a start..

im still confuse on how to get this.. do you know how precise can a pll be? and a cristal?

The best options are known by you. I would do a crystal oscillator with a 1mhz frequency and then use divider chips to divide that oscillator downwards to 10khz.
Something like that.

My 2 cents is that mother natur is not so exact....See Royal Rife systems...pulsed gastubes by use of a modulated 27mhz transmitter



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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2018, 23:35:42 pm »
good one... i will think about that!  i´m trying to find out if is possible to use a microcontroler clocks signal this way would be possible to make the pll work in the digital mode only with code.

i have 3 types here the aruino nano the esp8266 and the esp32 i think all them have the 26MHZ cristal may be even possible that it also have the dividers inside...

its appearing to me that cristal is the best option too.. but i was wondering how can vary a very little the frequency? changing temperature?





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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 08:26:24 am »
i found the eagle cad pcb of stan vic on tonywodside website so i will start with it but substitute some parts of it

i´m going to use a microcontroler to control and get readings from it like the esp32 it is easy to create a webpage to display all values we want
frequency meter
VCO voltage manual tuning
resonant scaning ckt
gate ckt
amp meter
voltmeter
temperature
pressure
flow

basicaly the microcontroler can do all the comands needed plus do all the readings and display them thru wifi in a webpage

i just recently worked on a project that is not so complex but works very nicely doing something similar, that is why now i know is the way to go ...
to do the webpage the esp32 even have a memory spiffs to save the webpage and with some javascript its easy to update values on the page using ajax and json