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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2018, 09:02:36 am »
you could say that a coil in parallel is some kind of EEC.......ill gues

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #105 on: June 09, 2018, 17:18:06 pm »
Yeas thats the idea i guess....

if we get a transformer with one coil bigger than the other and connect the smaller in series and bigger in parallel with the cell both with the dot convention on the cell side... and apply a voltage to it :

the smaller coil will apply a emf on the bigger coil that is already receiving a voltage but will be able to let amps flow thru it so i imagine working like an alternative path to the amps to flow instead of the high voltage secondary

see the picture

when the pulse collapse t2 will send a very high negative pulse to the water in one my theories it will break the covalent bound by inducing the resonance in the molecule.. 

if the water is not pure enough it wont have a spike like effect... the water must be pure to be able to use a coil to discharge high voltage across it... (fact)

if we want to get high voltage on low resistance a capacitor will have much more impact



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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2018, 18:47:57 pm »
on this second drawing i split it into 3 parts

one is the input transformer creating the resonance between the c1 and chokes but sending unidirectional voltage to water

the second part is the chokes c2 protect the diodes by not allowing high voltage to appear there so the chokes allow dc to be applied while the cell receive the spikes from the other circuit

the third part is the high voltage spike t3 and c3 will send one positive and one negative charging and discharging the capacitor that may be very small to be able to get very high speed discharge

maybe it could or should be impedance matched with the cell to not have power reflections..

the chokes modulates their current to filter the high voltage spike not allowing the spike to reach the diodes and if it reach the c2 is there to limit the voltage rise ... a tvs could be there to protect the bridge too but a capacitor may be better i imagine a 100nf 1kv is ok 

for the c1 maybe 10nf is enough if water is very pure .,, 


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« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2018, 22:29:14 pm »
i found that if the waveform meyer used is real there is only two ways of achieving that

one is to directly use resonance and apply it using a full wave bridge rectifier

the second is to rectify with the full wave bridge and filter  it using a capacitor and a coil


here is an example

there is also a tuned choke notice how the doubled frequency is sincronized with the tuned

$ 1 5.0000000000000004e-8 13.097415321081861 39 5 43
r 16 80 64 80 0 0.1
r 432 48 432 160 0 1000
T 64 80 160 128 2 0.002 5 -5.119296001649148 0.6830204695130128 0.99
c 256 128 224 128 0 1.0000000000000001e-7 -67.64292102483705
d 256 80 352 48 1 0.805904783
d 352 160 256 80 1 0.805904783
d 256 128 352 48 1 0.805904783
d 352 160 256 128 1 0.805904783
c 464 48 464 160 0 1e-9 611.9014472755616
w 464 160 432 160 0
w 464 48 432 48 0
v 16 128 16 80 0 2 5000 100 0 0 0.5
w 64 128 32 128 0
w 32 128 16 128 0
w 160 80 256 80 0
g 464 272 464 304 0
c 464 272 464 160 0 1e-10 -5382.877015599755
l 352 160 352 112 0 0.01 -0.6830201266465822
w 352 48 432 48 0
c 352 48 352 112 0 1e-8 612.5005192834187
w 384 112 432 160 0
r 384 112 352 112 0 1
d 240 208 352 256 1 0.805904783
g 352 256 352 288 0
T 160 128 208 192 4 0.01 26 0.6830204695130131 0.021215383748344595 0.99
w 224 128 160 192 0
w 208 128 208 48 0
w 208 48 352 48 0
g 208 192 208 208 0
o 1 64 0 4354 1115.1179482111302 0.0001 0 2 1 3
o 1 64 0 12553 0.0001 0.6742331271812282 1 2 1 3
o 16 64 0 12298 13863.500997639552 0.0001 1 2 16 3
o 11 64 1 29443 0.0001 0.0001 2 1 574.3642737697833
o 16 64 0 4099 40960 0.1 3 2 16 3

matching the impedance is just a matter of identifying the resistance of the cell to real dc and apply the same reactances for inductor and capacitor the resistance can be zero if you want zero loss .. 


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« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2018, 08:40:49 am »
i made a hand drawing to help visualize what happens when the cell is charged with dc and the switch is open .. it made me wonder about the usefulness of the ground

when we ground one electrode of the cell essentially,( correct me if i´m wrong please..) essentially the electrode will be at 0v potential meaning that if we charge the cell the other electrode will be at the respective voltage level we applied

in capacitors the charges works in pairs its not different for the capacitor generally if the charges are at a certain potential..! 

however i was wondering if in a capacitor having ions it has any difference

i imagine that if we ground for example the positive electrode and send a negative pulse to the other can be different than grounding the negative electrode and sending a positive pulse to the other

because when we disconnect the pulse the ions inside will keep attracted more or less than the other to the ground for example..

i imagine hydrogen positive ions will be more attracted to the ground than negative ions will be attracted by a negative voltage so  perhaps the difference is that we can attract the heaviest one and leave mostly the other free to move or vice versa.. .

the ions will only discharge if an electron pass thru the ckt and discharge both positive and negative at same time


if we hold the cell at high voltage for example in reference to ground it can ionize some molecules but the main idea is that at this electrode the negative ions should get stuck

so if we want the other ion to move we need to apply a voltage to drive it elsewhere


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2018, 10:48:43 am »
Hi,I had an interesting conversation with a man from the beginning of the topic....half of his explanation I understood and half I did not.

He use Dave Lawton PLL as a signal generator and yes, you can buy  or just buy PCB, two Stanley Meyer's HV switches, not complicated to make. I got that part how to connect PLL to 2x switches but rest is unclear to me. I was hoping to get answers from people who understand it but  this went over my head  ??? Yes, this may seem like he  explains *  how to drive a car, but that's how it is  ;D

"The WFC Circuit is just a Rectifier & Two ‘Stanley Meyer High Voltage Switches’ where one Switch Charges the WFC Gated at LC Resonance with an 8XA Coil & the other Switch ‘Short Circuits’ the WFC & by-passes the 8XA Coil at LC Resonance into an external ‘Light Bulb & Battery Array’ Load as the Electron Extraction Circuit… A Variable Inductor is used for Tuning the Circuit. This is Very SIMPLE & will produce a Minimum of 300% Faraday’s to 1,700% Faraday’s simple Electrolysis at around 0.05 Amps or 1/20th of an Amp… Once this is understood, you can start using Toroids, Ignition Coils or Tesla Coils."


"All you need is the 'Potential and the Frequency'. The Electrons can come from the Power (Enslavement) Grids Neutral, an Earthed Rod in your Back Yard or the Covalent Bonds in Water itself. In Auckland New Zealand and Darwin of Australia people have been using the 'LIVE' Phase connection from the Power Grid and an Earthed Rod as a Neutral to power their Hydrponic Lights for years... In New Zealand a guy in debt to a Motor Cycle Gang gave them A Box that when connected to a 'LIVE'  Phase and a separate Earth powered a Warehouse with Electrons from the Earth ...All your interested in is the Potential and Frequency
Just look at (Google) 'A Vector Potentials'."


"If you have the original Lawton PLL you can hook up to any switch directly from the Diode Light to an optociuple. If you have the original SCR you can hook the Diode Light up to the side connections that you'd normally connect any Frequency Generator to."



"So you have your Dave Lawton Pll just remove the Switch and connect three wires that you can then connect to your optocouple. Easy!... you really need to Switch BACK-EMF Im-Pulses and not Hot Electricity from a Variac."


"If you understand how to remove the LED and hook it to your SCR then all you do is build two SCR Circuits and instead of using an SCR you pick out a PNP and an NPN so you get an alternation using the same signal. So one Switch Charges the WFC and the other Switch Short Circuits it using a Variac Transformer. The gist of it, is Charging the Water Fuel Cell then Short Circuiting it, the PLL will do this automatically... The reason Faradays Electrolysis gets Hot is because it is the Load, using the Stanley Meyer method the Load is external to the Water Fuel Cell, it still uses Amperage but externalises the Heat/EM Losses component into a Light Bulb... It's like Charging a Battery and it gets Hot because it is the Load while its Charging but, when you discharge the Battery like in a Laptop the Pentium Chip gets Hot because it's the Load and the Laptop Battery remains Cold to touch, so a Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell externalises the Load. Once you get this, then you'll get that the most efficient way to charge a Capacitor that stores Charge is to use Back EMF Im-Pulses then you'll see your efficiencies increase! ... It's all about externalising the Heat component then increasing the efficiency of the Cell, my Cells hooked up to a 3.25 KVA generator- if School Girls in Africa can build this SHIT with Junk Parts anyone in the Western World can build this!"


"... The simplest way for you to hook it up is, instead of the PLL Switch going to the Cell, you need to remove that Switch. You need to directly Switch your Optocouple so you need to remove that Switch and Solder it up yourself because it is a NEGATIVE Switch. Your just making it hard for yourself not removing the Switch from your PPL Circuit because you need that Positive Signal. Once this is done you'll have Two POSITIVE Switch outputs: 1. The Light Emitting Diode & 2. The Positive Signal that previously Switched the NEGATIVE Switch that you have now removed. SIMPLE! If you built your own SCR Circuit you can easily build another one OK. ... You need a NPN so you can collect the Back EMF Im-Pulses off the NEGATIVE at Switch Closure using Blocking Diodes on the Negative. ... You also need a PNP and what this does is it only Switches ON when the Pin is NEGATIVE so the same signal Switches Two separate Switches. The NPN Charges the Cell with Back EMF Im-Pulses and the PNP Short Circuits the Cell with a Light Bulb on the Positive of the Cell to CONSUME all Amperage from the Water Fuel Cell... Its NOT Rocket Science!"


"All you do is remove it and you need the Potentential and the Neutral and you can use the one signal to power two seperate Opto-Couples with one Opto for the NPN which has Diodes off the Negative of a Coil to collect the Back-EMF Im-Pulses that go to the Positive of your Water Fuel Cell and the Negative Side of your Water Fuel Cell is connected to the Positive Side of your Coil... I know this sounds like it doesn't make sense but, the Water Fuel Cell is only being Charged with Back EMF Im-Pulses when the NPN closes. then seperate to this the other Opto is for the PNP which has a Light Bulb on the Positive Side of the Water Fuel Cell then the PNP. SO WHEN THIS IS FED WITH A SQUARE WAVE YOU GET AN ALTERNATING SIGNAL : P, N,P, N, P, N, P ECT.  you can even Postulate the OFF NPN's Back-EMF Im-Pulse takes place while the Short Circuit PNP is On and therefore the Light Bulb is powered by the Back EMF Im-Pulse but it can't because theres no Amperage therefore the Amperage can only come from the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor. during its Short Circuit. You'll know when its built right"








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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2018, 12:35:05 pm »
Hi,I had an interesting conversation with a man from the beginning of the topic....half of his explanation I understood and half I did not.

He use Dave Lawton PLL as a signal generator and yes, you can buy  or just buy PCB, two Stanley Meyer's HV switches, not complicated to make. I got that part how to connect PLL to 2x switches but rest is unclear to me. I was hoping to get answers from people who understand is but  this went over my head  ??? Yes, this may seem like he  explains *  how to drive a car, but that's how it is  ;D

"The WFC Circuit is just a Rectifier & Two ‘Stanley Meyer High Voltage Switches’ where one Switch Charges the WFC Gated at LC Resonance with an 8XA Coil & the other Switch ‘Short Circuits’ the WFC & by-passes the 8XA Coil at LC Resonance into an external ‘Light Bulb & Battery Array’ Load as the Electron Extraction Circuit… A Variable Inductor is used for Tuning the Circuit. This is Very SIMPLE & will produce a Minimum of 300% Faraday’s to 1,700% Faraday’s simple Electrolysis at around 0.05 Amps or 1/20th of an Amp… Once this is understood, you can start using Toroids, Ignition Coils or Tesla Coils."


"All you need is the 'Potential and the Frequency'. The Electrons can come from the Power (Enslavement) Grids Neutral, an Earthed Rod in your Back Yard or the Covalent Bonds in Water itself. In Auckland New Zealand and Darwin of Australia people have been using the 'LIVE' Phase connection from the Power Grid and an Earthed Rod as a Neutral to power their Hydrponic Lights for years... In New Zealand a guy in debt to a Motor Cycle Gang gave them A Box that when connected to a 'LIVE'  Phase and a separate Earth powered a Warehouse with Electrons from the Earth ...All your interested in is the Potential and Frequency
Just look at (Google) 'A Vector Potentials'.?
If you have the original Lawton PLL you can hook up to any switch directly from the Diode Light to an optociuple. If you have the original SCR you can hook the Diode Light up to the side connections that you'd normally connect any Frequency Generator to.?
So you have your Dave Lawton Pll just remove the Switch and connect three wires that you can then connect to your optocouple. Easy!... you really need to Switch BACK-EMF Im-Pulses and not Hot Electricity from a Variac.?
If you understand how to remove the LED and hook it to your SCR then all you do is build two SCR Circuits and instead of using an SCR you pick out a PNP and an NPN so you get an alternation using the same signal. So one Switch Charges the WFC and the other Switch Short Circuits it using a Variac Transformer. The gist of it, is Charging the Water Fuel Cell then Short Circuiting it, the PLL will do this automatically... The reason Faradays Electrolysis gets Hot is because it is the Load, using the Stanley Meyer method the Load is external to the Water Fuel Cell, it still uses Amperage but externalises the Heat/EM Losses component into a Light Bulb... It's like Charging a Battery and it gets Hot because it is the Load while its Charging but, when you discharge the Battery like in a Laptop the Pentium Chip gets Hot because it's the Load and the Laptop Battery remains Cold to touch, so a Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell externalises the Load. Once you get this, then you'll get that the most efficient way to charge a Capacitor that stores Charge is to use Back EMF Im-Pulses then you'll see your efficiencies increase! ... It's all about externalising the Heat component then increasing the efficiency of the Cell, my Cells hooked up to a 3.25 KVA generator- if School Girls in Africa can build this SHIT with Junk Parts anyone in the Western World can build this!?
... The simplest way for you to hook it up is, instead of the PLL Switch going to the Cell, you need to remove that Switch. You need to directly Switch your Optocouple so you need to remove that Switch and Solder it up yourself because it is a NEGATIVE Switch. Your just making it hard for yourself not removing the Switch from your PPL Circuit because you need that Positive Signal. Once this is done you'll have Two POSITIVE Switch outputs: 1. The Light Emitting Diode & 2. The Positive Signal that previously Switched the NEGATIVE Switch that you have now removed. SIMPLE! If you built your own SCR Circuit you can easily build another one OK. ... You need a NPN so you can collect the Back EMF Im-Pulses off the NEGATIVE at Switch Closure using Blocking Diodes on the Negative. ... You also need a PNP and what this does is it only Switches ON when the Pin is NEGATIVE so the same signal Switches Two separate Switches. The NPN Charges the Cell with Back EMF Im-Pulses and the PNP Short Circuits the Cell with a Light Bulb on the Positive of the Cell to CONSUME all Amperage from the Water Fuel Cell... Its NOT Rocket Science!?


All you do is remove it and you need the Potentential and the Neutral and you can use the one signal to power two seperate Opto-Couples with one Opto for the NPN which has Diodes off the Negative of a Coil to collect the Back-EMF Im-Pulses that go to the Positive of your Water Fuel Cell and the Negative Side of your Water Fuel Cell is connected to the Positive Side of your Coil... I know this sounds like it doesn't make sense but, the Water Fuel Cell is only being Charged with Back EMF Im-Pulses when the NPN closes. then seperate to this the other Opto is for the PNP which has a Light Bulb on the Positive Side of the Water Fuel Cell then the PNP. SO WHEN THIS IS FED WITH A SQUARE WAVE YOU GET AN ALTERNATING SIGNAL : P, N,P, N, P, N, P ECT.  you can even Postulate the OFF NPN's Back-EMF Im-Pulse takes place while the Short Circuit PNP is On and therefore the Light Bulb is powered by the Back EMF Im-Pulse but it can't because theres no Amperage therefore the Amperage can only come from the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor. during its Short Circuit. You'll know when its built right"

So you had contact with the man of the video,s?

Thanks for posting, btw. I need some days to proces this. I will make a schematic as good as i understand ....


cheers

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2018, 13:17:02 pm »
Yes, i just wanted some simple scheme or how wires are connected but he insisted on educating me at academic level but I do not have that kind of knowledge...i will draw in paint how i understood PLL to 2x HV SCR and some other "stuf".  About NPN PNP transistors is astrophysics to me but i bet it's simple if I could see it.