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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2018, 23:00:21 pm »
I fired mine up again and took some readings.  With the cap on the secondary the meter shows 13.7 V.  Without the cap it's 19.8 V.  This is with the meter in parallel with the cell's wires.  Then I removed the cell's connection to the non diode side of the AC input (the wire which doesn't go directly to the transformer), and put the meter in series at this point, in series with the AC wire and the cell.  With the cap, it shows 2.8 Amps feeding the NST, through the meter and the cell.  Roughly 38 Watts.  Without the cap it reads 3.9 Amps, or right at twice the Watts.

I took a video, to get a clip of the bubbles right at startup, before the water gets too cloudy, but Windows 10 won't play the video from my Android phone.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2018, 23:38:10 pm »
I forgot to mention I had to move the meter's red wire to the other socket to measure the Amps.

The next thing to do is put a small tube on the side of my cell, with a thin line around the middle and both the top and bottom of this tube piped back into the cell.  After enough water is poured into the cell to come up to the line on the gauge tube, a precise amount of water can be added to the cell, keeping track of how long it takes for the electrolysis to bring the water level back down to the reference line.  Then the gas output can be easily calculated.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2018, 02:07:09 am »
to be certain of what is going on ii think is better to wire an oscilloscope to see it well ... some meters may not show what we need just in time

try substituting the spark gap with a resistor of similar value and check if some gas get going ... probably half the energy is being dissipated on the sparkplug heating the resistor must be a power one because will also get hot...

if you add your probes on the resistor you can evaluate the current going

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2018, 02:50:16 am »
The difference between a resister and a spark gap is the resister will not wait until the potential reaches a certain level before conducting.  The gap produces a steep leading edge rich in upper harmonics, compared to a sine wave from a resister.  Also, transient spikes tend to travel at differing speeds through a coil and this can make a scope unreliable.  Perhaps a spectrum analyzer across the cell would be better?

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2018, 05:56:51 am »
a simple oscilloscope will show you what you need to see that is what is the waveform across the cell or the current you just need to wisely wire it to dont interfere in the ckt and to keep the oscilloscope safe

the resistor was just an example for you try and compare the gas production figure

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2018, 21:49:07 pm »
I tried today with a full bridge rectifier, in stead of just 1 diode.
I got lots of gas and a lot of volts acros the cell.
But, the sparkgap was not triggerd, so i could not see what that would add....

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2018, 08:33:01 am »
i was making some drawings here and maybe the spark gap could be in parallel with the diode to make it work...

this allow the field to collapse and to connect the secondary to the chokes capacitance for all the game to go... its similar to a tvs but a tvs will consume more power probably...

i was thinking a way to use a tvs to detect the triger point but make it activate some switch to let the power to go straight to water...

a trigatron would be ideal but maybe some solidstate is possible