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Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« on: October 05, 2015, 03:34:45 am »
some people will c r i n g e reading the title......

http://overunity.com/14814/overunity-electrolysis-31-times-more-effective-gas-production-than-with-dc/


Stefan started the thread and then let it rip . "31 x more effective" is based on the info in the article/paper by the Japanese researchers

Les Banki rolled up and designed a straight forward circuit for people to use to do their own research into nano pulse .

He calculated "Only 8 times faraday" based on the info provided in the articla/paper by the japanese researches.

soon enough , Les Banki series cell design   (totally different subject)   was brought up as a subject by other posters , clouding the actual thread subject. NANO PULSE ELECTROLYSIS

He then left to go to O.U.R ... where they had a go at him there!!

no where did Les Banki say it put out 8 times faraday , the circuit he put up was for research simply because the article has NO circuit available

The SITh static induction thyristor is a normally ON device and it requires a circuit to switch it OFF , so its functioning in reverse of a normal device.

EG; RS1600PA40T1  ,part number .   these things are out there some where but they dont seem to be available at the moment.....

A reed switch is a normally ON component , which got me thinking of the Ford Model T coil which functions as a solenoid opening the reed switch , the mag field pulls the reed open , causing the field to collapse ..... cycle repeats.

http://www.mtfca.com/coils/Coils.htm

IES inductive energy storage , the circuit in the japanese article is representitive only , it shows a thyristor with the gate triggered by a diode , which reprents a negative signal to switch the thyristor OFF!

The other thing which I havent seen before is intentional use of a flyback transformer / swinging choke .

I have never seen a SITh before but it is interesting device , I would like to substitute it but thats a head scratcher

As for a reed switch , it requires a magnetic pole to function
A SITh .....?  combined with a FBT ....which does NOT have a magnetic pole , it can only have an air gap which is a mag pole ,but is burried under the windings

so how a SITh inter acts is a mystery to me at the moment.
looking at the diagram in the japanese article it appears the SITh is self triggered by the FBT it is switching , which is clever . does the FBT reach saturation before switching or is it triggered by an isolated search coil ?  I dont know

I play around with TV FBT to the point of destruction for a bit of fun, the concept of a FBT function is top notch , there is no winding ratio on a FBT , it is energy transfer from primary circuit to secondary circuit , the quiker the Pri is switched the higher the volts on the Sec. The out put is already DC , they have diodes built into them , AC coils are hard to find usually old B/W tv.

So from that view I see it interesting that the japanese have a FBT

What the actual japanese researchers true circuit diagram looks like would be interesting .

Les Banki , final circuit version 8 is straight forward and is a good design , schmitt 4584 , PLL 4046 , 4420 driver, 1500v diodes and mosfet , hyperfast components
 
Les theory of 1:1 ratio is also interesting , usually filters on computers ,stereos etc use 1:1 . As a FBT it will still put out HV spikes

Also SITh are used in pulse power , so where the hell do they get theirs?  it might be industrial only or military

anyway if anyone hasnt seen the japanese article its in the link

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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 04:44:43 am »
Yeah it is rather interesting you can not obtain those scr's.  Its kind of like me saying that I figured out all of Meyers secrets because I have this 1000 dollar golden staff that you can't buy.   Sound familiar!

There is another way to accomplish what those studies set out to do.

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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 08:13:13 am »
try search for a SITh , they arent available any where

I reakon its safe to say every person on this site has pulsed directly across water and probably most of the folk who only read.

what I forgot to mention is the switched reluctance of the core of the coil , ferromagnetic material of any hydrogen based research is RARELY even mentioned yet it is the basis of adams motor , harold aspden motor , jones motor and quite likely stan meyers table top alternator , all relative to the air gap.

ohms equivalence emf = i x r  , mmf = flux x reluctance
an ideal switch has no R when on , no i when off

simply switching a transistor of any type , on and off is random , that SITh is triggered by some thing and timed relative to the core material

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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 11:09:53 am »
My 2 cents in the pulsed electrolysis systems are that the cell is getting a little bitmore efficient as the helmholz layers are removed, so more current can flow with the same voltage.
The biggest gain however, is that the type of gas changes.
You will create brownsgas.
And that contains more monotic hydrogen.
Like 3 percent.
More bang for yr money.
And for the ney sayers, i tried it myself with my motorbike engine.
Pulsed means max 240hz.
50 or 60 hz works also fine.
Also less cells with a higher voltage then 2 volt per cell works better.
Better for the engine.
Not better efficiency according to electrolysis laws...

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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 14:13:51 pm »
my one cent is that this static induction tiristor plays the same as my pulsing circuit... allowing the pulse to collapse///
 
my question is how fast the core can really collapse its field?


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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 15:19:38 pm »
A totall of 3 cents  :)

Almost enough for yr hv probe  :D

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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 16:03:08 pm »
A totall of 3 cents  :)

Almost enough for yr hv probe  :D

oh man we will get there...

i bought some tyristors few months ago to try this idea but didn't used yet because probably it would burn up without the correct protection too... so i thought whats the point..

it only block the peak that the transistor would receive,,, the idea of the sythyristor is that this voltage is blocked into its structure.. without current flow or minor theoretically..

theoretically for the field to collapse fast cols needs  a high resistance than the charge path...

thats why i have no diode shorting my primary...



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Re: Nano Pulse Electrolysis
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 22:30:44 pm »

George Wiseman is hardly mentioned with monatomic hydrogen but hes the guy who brought out the browns gas book . Quite likely what got Les Banki started , no evidence of that just going by the time line 1995.

monatomic was the main focus

the thing with a FBT is that the 2 circuits are isolated from each other , that CANT be achieved by a standard tranformer. once Pri is off , the sec is the V source . when Pri is on , the sec is off and the battery on Pri is the V source

the SITh is reverse of a standard thyriator . when circuit is on, the SITh is already at full current , it needs to be switched off , being thyristor it is capable of fast switching

ferrites come with data sheets , they have saturation info etc .
Les Banki chose 240 khz , the data sheet shows the ETD is good for 200khz , its .5mm gapped . this avoids saturation

heres a home made tester
http://www.dgkelectronics.com/quick-project-inductor-saturation-current-tester/


the japanese article has no circuit given , there is no mention how to hook up the SITh