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Dynode
« on: November 12, 2013, 23:57:03 pm »
When I look at the bottom of a beer can, I'm reminded of a dynode.  It has the perfect shape and is aluminum.  This is a good metal for secondary emission and one electron can produce 7 or 8 secondaries, one for each 28V. total electron impact velocity.  In fact, I've got 24 boxes of empty cans saved up, each with 12 cans.  This is in case I decide to mass produce something, such as Farnsworth's Inverter patent 2159521.  This uses opposing electrode structures, but not secondary emission.  It just uses the oscillating electric field's pressure, which is converted into AC, for instance, high powered rf.  Although the output power is voltage dependent.

One thing I've seen while reading Farnsworth's patents is that ions can also be used in his tubes, even for secondary emission.  He says this lowers the frequency for a given voltage and dynode spacing by a factor of 500.  Presuming a vacuum of around -4.  Even with the lowered frequency it might be difficult to get down to 50 or 60 Hz.  So I'd like to see if I can get another drop in the frequency factor by using atmospheric pressure ions, such as with my magnetic plasmoid.

Even if some type of pumping system had to be set up to use low pressure ions, this Tube would be great for generating a lot of high powered frequencies people like to use.  Such as 1.4 MHz for pulse electrolysis.

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Re: Dynode
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 10:26:26 am »
hahaha drinking beers for a noble cause  ;D  aluminium isnt the best material to use I'm guessing if you coat it with ZnO it's possible

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 14:54:22 pm »
thank you for that name !!!

* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,773,980 : Television system (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 August 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,773,981 : Television receiving system (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 August 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,758,359 : Electric oscillator system (filed 7 January 1927, issued May 13, 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,806,935 : Light valve (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 May 1931)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,168,768 : Television method (filed 9 January 1928, issued 8 August 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,970,036 : Photoelectric apparatus (filed 9 January 1928, issued 14 August 1934)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,246,625 : Television scanning and synchronization system (filed May 5, 1930, issued June 24, 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,941,344 : Dissector target (filed 7 July 1930, issued 26 December 1933)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,284 : Projecting oscillight (filed 14 July 1931, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,059,683 : Scanning oscillator (filed 3 April 1933, issued 3 November 1936)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,087,683 : Image dissector (filed 26 April 1933, issued 20 July 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,071,516 : Oscillation generator (filed 5 July 1934, issued 23 February 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,145 : Projection means (filed 6 November 1934, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,233,887 : Image projector (filed 6 February 1935, issued 4 March 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,262 : Means of electron multipaction (filed 12 March 1935, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,174,488 : Oscillator (filed 12 March 1935, issued 26 September 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,221,473 : Amplifier (filed 12 March 1935, issued 12 November 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,155,478 : Means for producing incandescent images (filed 7 May 1935, issued 25 April 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,695 : Charge storage dissector (filed 6 July 1935, issued 20 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,228,388 : Cathode ray amplifier (filed 6 July 1935, issued 14 January 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,233,888 : Charge storage amplifier (filed 6 July 1935, issued 4 March 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,251,124 : Cathode ray amplifying tube (filed 10 August 1935, issued 29 July 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,100,842 : Charge storage tube (filed 14 September 1935, issued 30 November 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,137,528 : Multipactor oscillator (filed 27 January 1936, issued 22 November 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,214,077 : Scanning current generator (filed 10 February 1936, issued 10 September 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,089,054 : Incandescent light source (filed 9 March 1936, issued 3 August 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,159,521 : Absorption oscillator (filed 9 March 1936, issued 23 May 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,139,813 : Secondary emission electrode (filed 24 March 1936, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,204,479 : Means and method for producing electronic multiplication (filed 16 May 1936, issued 11 June 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,832 : Means and method of controlling electron multipliers (filed 16 May 1936, issued 20 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,260,613 : Electron multiplier (filed 18 May 1936, issued 28 October 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,141,837 : Multistage multipactor (filed 1 June 1936, issued 27 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,216,265 : Image dissector (filed 18 August 1936, issued 1 October 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,128,580 : Means and method of operating electron multipliers (filed 18 August 1936, issued 30 August 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,146 : Repeater (filed 31 October 1936, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,139,814 : Cathode ray tube (filed 2 November 1936, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,109,289 : High power projection oscillograph (filed 2 November 1936, issued 22 February 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,184,910 : Cold cathode electron discharge tube (filed 4 November 1936, issued 26 December 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,179,996 : Electron multiplier (filed 9 November 1936, issued 14 November 1939)
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,221,374 : X-ray projection device
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,263,032 : Cold cathode electron discharge tube
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,258,402 : Electric discharge device for producing interaction between nuclei
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,386,883 : Method and apparatus for producing nuclear fusion reactions
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,664,920 : Electrostatic containment in fusion reactors

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Re: Dynode
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 20:37:06 pm »
Very impressive list of patents!  ;D

Aluminum can be used as a secondary emitter, depending on electrode mass, and cooling.  And if spiraling trajectories cause multiple impacts with each primary.  Something else of interest Farnsworth pointed out is that each secondary emission can send a longitudinal pulse through an rf choke, which blocks normal HV potential.  So Farnsworth Tubes can be used as a source of Longitudinal Energy.

Dynodes will still work for the inverter app, without a secondary emissive surface.  The nice thing about the Ion Inverter is that there is very little heat.  Electrons do not actually touch the dynodes, and only the anode after most of the kinetic energy from the accelerating field has been transfered to the output circuit.

I'm thinking of incorporating a grid electrode in front of each dynode, with the same surface curvature.  Just a smaller section of the can bottom.  These grids will be a short distance in front of the dynodes and will be impacted by ions.  Even with aluminum, the surface of the grids will have to be carbonized, which was Philo's trick for preventing SE.  Meyer had a way of removing the electrons from ionized moisture, so we don't want to put any back in.

So, when rf is applied to the ion tube with moisture and/or Hydroxy, the Hydrogen will keep impacting the parts of the grids between the perforations, giving up their sub quantum hydrino energy.  It's been learned that Hydrogen has 17 sub quantum energy states below its ground level.  Heat energy from each of these states can be released non sequentially, and even simultaneously.

If this atomic Hydrogen furnace works, it might melt the grids.  Unless they have a high heat coefficient, like SS.  Even then, the grids would be heat diffusers since they would radiate the heat back into the gas, giving it an explosive temperature and resultant pressure.
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Re: Dynode
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 23:53:59 pm »
Thinking about this, it seems like it might be a good idea to carbonize the inside surface of the outer electrode of Stan Meyer's Injector.  All metals will put off secondary emission electrons, although not always over unity, as Farnsworth preferred to designate an effect with more secondaries than primaries.  This might be a key step in getting Meyer's system to work.

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Re: Dynode
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013, 23:18:24 pm »
Very impressive list of patents!  ;D

Aluminum can be used as a secondary emitter, depending on electrode mass, and cooling.  And if spiraling trajectories cause multiple impacts with each primary.  Something else of interest Farnsworth pointed out is that each secondary emission can send a longitudinal pulse through an rf choke, which blocks normal HV potential.  So Farnsworth Tubes can be used as a source of Longitudinal Energy.

Dynodes will still work for the inverter app, without a secondary emissive surface.  The nice thing about the Ion Inverter is that there is very little heat.  Electrons do not actually touch the dynodes, and only the anode after most of the kinetic energy from the accelerating field has been transfered to the output circuit.

I'm thinking of incorporating a grid electrode in front of each dynode, with the same surface curvature.  Just a smaller section of the can bottom.  These grids will be a short distance in front of the dynodes and will be impacted by ions.  Even with aluminum, the surface of the grids will have to be carbonized, which was Philo's trick for preventing SE.  Meyer had a way of removing the electrons from ionized moisture, so we don't want to put any back in.

So, when rf is applied to the ion tube with moisture and/or Hydroxy, the Hydrogen will keep impacting the parts of the grids between the perforations, giving up their sub quantum hydrino energy.  It's been learned that Hydrogen has 17 sub quantum energy states below its ground level.  Heat energy from each of these states can be released non sequentially, and even simultaneously.

If this atomic Hydrogen furnace works, it might melt the grids.  Unless they have a high heat coefficient, like SS.  Even then, the grids would be heat diffusers since they would radiate the heat back into the gas, giving it an explosive temperature and resultant pressure.

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


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Re: Dynode
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2013, 02:36:51 am »

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


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I'm thinking more in terms of shrunken H1.  When the hot atomic nucleus gives up energy on impact, the nucleus gets smaller.  Meyer said this shrinking gives off E=MC^2 type of energy.  This might be the biggest part of the energy his system was producing.

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Re: Dynode
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2013, 10:33:07 am »

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


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I'm thinking more in terms of shrunken H1.  When the hot atomic nucleus gives up energy on impact, the nucleus gets smaller.  Meyer said this shrinking gives off E=MC^2 type of energy.  This might be the biggest part of the energy his system was producing.

The only part i know of the Meyer techno on this specific topic, is that he was feeding the nucleus with infrared light.
SO, what you are saying is that the shrinking of this blown up nucleus will release energy during impact. Impact on what?
Impact with metal? Or ignition?

Steve