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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2008, 07:57:59 am »
From the pics I think its that white PVC  type tank behind meyer.  From the article in the wireless world, Stan used 6 set of cylindrical cells to power his VW dune buggy for 4 years.

Great discovery hydro. I am glad I quit hanging out at the other OU forums. The alternator set up is the way to go. Now I am absolutely convinced. ;D

So my question really is this...was he pumping amps into his cell  through the alternator or was there really some sort of OU phenomenon that he discovered??

In otherwords we know for a fact that he used 900 watts to run the drive motor of the alternator. Thats given..the question is how much amps the alternator pumps into his 6 cylinder Tank cell or for that matter just one (original demo) cylindrical cell. Any ideas?



well, i assume right at around 20 amps, in that area, not sure of the voltage because it varys per cell... you see anywhere between 8 volts to 20 volts, and sometimes higher.. the longer you run the cell on the alternator the more charged the tubes will become, i know this because after running 12 cells over a periode of time they still produce hydroxy... enough hydroxy you can see lots of little bubbles flow but nothing to get carried away about..

so yeah, the alternator is basicly a transformer, the problem most people run across when using the alternator setup is they fail to understand the whole reason for it is  the source of unfiltered DC, so you have to remove the capacitor from the alternator, those are very good at smoothing ripples out. However the proper capacitor can cause even more gas output when added directly where the factory one was removed, its good to have a constant level of dc across the cells but the amount of dc the factory capacitor can give the cell is to much so its gotta go. 450 uf or even 1000 uf is ideal, but get rid of the factory one and chunk it as it will make it to pure.

900 watts for stevies driver motor is the minimal amount of power that i have seen to run these types of motors. my motor is 120 volts 12 to 24 amps, so thats around 1440 watts minimum, but yet there is still DC to AC rotary Converters capable of powering these motors from 12 volts. so the problem of how to get an ac driver motor installed into a car is no longer a problem. The problem now is the gas production, or is it.






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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2008, 08:42:34 am »
Hi,

i am still a bit ill, but he, i can write again.
I think its fantastic that you guys found the same acdc converter. Its telling us again more about how stan was running the dunebuggy.

just some reactions on what i read here.

I have a 6 cylinder joecell....really. I havent tried it on my alternator..but i ll gues you need rainwater for it. Tapwater want conduct good enough.

Salt or KOH is possible needed, but first see if it can be done without. Maybe stan cooked and gained the vaporised water to get an uniform water. And maybe he added something to it.

i have modified my engine but i didnt run because of sparkplug failure. So i still dont know if it would run, hydro.

i have 10 tubes sets . Maybe its time to use 2 sets per phase of the alternator....that a easy test.

kumaran is using a seriecell with koh and is running it with an alternator. His output is 4 times more then we have..

talk to you soon. First i have to do my taxes....damn






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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2008, 10:47:54 am »
dude, we need kurmaran in here,, we need to know where he got his cell and how much it cost to construct it!

Round him up...

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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2008, 14:26:52 pm »
i will ask him by email

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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2008, 14:32:42 pm »
ok, done.

Listen. We have to play with the 2 tubes per phase of the alternator.
Or 3 if possible. See what comes out of there.
I also added some tube extensions on top of the tubes. That improved my producting with 0.5cc per second!
The bubbles doesnt come in my water and cannot flow back into the bottum of the wfc.
I will make a picture, soon.

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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2008, 16:07:29 pm »
Regarding hydro's question on Stan's alternator. According to this guy Kevin who runs this site waterforfuel.com

http://waterforfuel.com/partners.html

Stanley used a Delco Remy Alternator according to the guy who owns the site above. He also sells them but I am sure one can find a cheap Delco Remy alternator. (May be he is telling that to everyone because he wants to sell his alternators I do not know, but there is also the chance that he is right and Stan did use a Delco remy alternator.)

Regarding salt: Hydro, the reason you are getting a ton of brown scum is the chlorine in salt that reacts with the iorn. Most people who have experimented by now would notice that even a clean  set of 'conditioned' tubes will eventually turn tap water slighly orangish after a while. That is the small amount of chlorine in the tap water which I think forms ferric chloride a brown solution which is acidic in nature and will corrode the steel.  You will notice this especially near the connection wires and screws on the cell.

Heat generation in the cell:
If his tall demo cell consumed 20 amps,  the claims that his cell ran cold are not true then?  I know for a fact the outside of my cell remains cool for about 10 minutes when i plug it straight to my 12 volt DC power supply before warming. Could stan have used that ruse?
Are there any documents out there that has actual proof that stan's cell ran cold for hours?

Secret Electrolyte:

Stan's major claim was that his method does not use electrolytes, could he have been blatantly dishonest about that...I doubt but given the fact that he never openly mentions the word stator or rotor or alternator in any of his patents, he could have been using an electrolyte. His water does turn reddish brown  according to the wireless world article. 


Series cell: Yes this is my other great doubt.  Has anyone tried series connections. Bob boyce is series. Kumaran I think I read in this forum or at another one I am not sure has achieved 94% effeciency with alternator and electrolyte...and series cell??? so yes it would be really great if Kumaran would post his schematic in this thread.

Stator windings:

According to stans gas generator voltage control cirucit patent:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=4798661

a single set of tubes connect to each of the stator windings, not two as stevie mentioned. I am bringing this up because, stan's brother Steve meyers patent:

http://waterfuelcell.org/WFCprojects/StephenMeyer/20050246059.pdf

has the exact same set up as Stan's gas generator voltage control circuit patentt, except steve meyer uses 3 tubes, the one in the middle being 0 or reference voltage.

He uses two alternators...total 6 stator windings..each supplying power to 6 cell arrays. (Each array has 3 tubes)

That means each array of 3 tubes in Steve Meyers patent and 2 tubes in stan meyers patent above is supplied with rectified single phase DC?

There is no pulsing of the rotor in steve meyers patent, and  there is also a cooling system to prevent the cell from getting hot. So I am guessing his system is not OU.


So the final question that is still lingering is....was Stan's method OU or not?






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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2008, 01:12:55 am »
right now im at work but i cant help to look in to make a quick reply.. I have the alternator you're talking about,, i just found it on my dads porch!!! he said to leave his street rod motor alone and i said sorry but i gotta have it! lol.

anyhow,, no i don't think stan was getting overunity and no i don't think stan rewired his alternator, after hearing stan Bragg about the different types of water you can use i can only see he was using some electrolyte. As for the water in the bath getting hot the water itself acts as a heatsink so it will get hot over a period of time. Water pumps can circulate the water if heat is a problem since its harder to heat moving water.

about pulsing the rotor i to have noticed that it is not needed, my best results was straight DC on the rotor so far, but pulsing the rotor will eliminate heat within the rotor, i'm not sure what 2 or  amps on the rotor for over an hour could do, its possible it could start smoking.. i still do not know if on todays cars the rotor is pulsed to prevent heating within the motor or if its self cooled due to spinning wich i doubt.

The amazing part of the puzzle is we learned that stan was using a DC to AC rotatry converter, This in return tells us that He was consuming amps to the cell, if he was using very high volts low amps at a frequency to bust the water then the DC to AC rotary Converter generator would not be needed, would it? so its clearn we are on the right track by doing what we all are doing. I can say that talking about this you learn nothing, the reason all this information is poping up is from testing and scracthing your head, watching stans videos etc...

if i can run a motor on 5 cc's a sec for 3 secs a pop, you know we're close. I fear for the HP in the future, i hope it works itself out.

The worst possible ending in these findings is having to use a joe cell, you have to be rich to make one of those things according to the prices i have been looking at. Tube cells are great, but if kurmaran is producing what stevie says the i am all for it, i'll chunk the tube cell out the winder... At this point in my life i can see that additives is the way to go, and possibly the only way. Now i have the alternator stan had, i think, now i can start looking into different cell setups.

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Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2008, 02:02:57 am »
Dont forget that stan used light energy in order to make his system more efficient.
I've heard him talk about it in his presentations and it is presented extensively in his patents. Here is just a small example:



And I love this one how it says "Optional" because It really is. But stan seemed to make a big deal about his lasers.