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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2011, 08:00:00 am »
Hey Tony with the center tap transformer substitute is there any way to get one out put only 90 degrees out of phase or is that possible at all?

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2011, 18:45:56 pm »
wfchobby, Thanks for  bringing up that question. This is what im working on as time permits. Question is for Tony. In figure 8-11 of the rotery vic. The stator windings (secondary) show a c/t coming off of each phase with 2 diodes one blocking towards the winding , then amp restricting coil going to 0 volts. the other diode on the end says to center tap. WHERE DOES THAT CONNECT TO. Im assuming the 0 volts goes to the cell. BUT ALSO WHERE DOES THAT CONNECT TO. SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS TO CONNECT TO A NEUTRAL TUBE, TO GET AMPS RECIRCULATING IN THE WATER. What is the purpose of the diode on the end of wire where it says c/t. Seems like that diode should be turned around. I dont know, guess it depends on where it is connected to. Iv been workin with this but my understanding is a little vague on this part. I have the rest of it figured out for the most part. hope you can SHED some light on this part of the Rotary vic. ANY ONE ELSE READIN THIS IF YOU CAN BE OF HELP PLEASE POST SO OTHERS CAN KNOW HOW THIS PART OF THE CIRCUIT WORKS TOO. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. HIWATER.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2011, 04:40:37 am »
Tonny, you are making a wrong idea of the transformer circuit, the polarities you described are wrong according to all meyers figures.

This is the corrected figure in attachment of what is happening in the vic

when you have the flux going into one direction in the core, all coils that ends at the same side of the core are of the same polarity. verify it your self, if you connect the transformer with the coils with all adding fields you will get much higher voltage but is not the vic. IS clearly pointed in all pictures of stan. Except in the matrix impedance bla...

You should read what i wrote more carefully...

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2011, 08:51:32 am »
I have tested this with my VIC Transformer and at a certain frequency the voltage will got 180* out of phase and the voltage will peak! Here is a simulation of 180* out of phase voltage, please tell me where I am wrong at with this.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2011, 10:02:54 am »
Yes tony is right.

+HV
virtual ground
-HV

to

-HV
virtual ground
+HV

But still the voltage potential is alternating at the electrodes.
this is not what stan describes in his waveforms

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2011, 14:13:38 pm »
you are simply adding two voltage sources in series, as you can note on its spec. there is 0° phase between them not 180. 180° would cancel each other out you would get 0 volts. You see?

Your oscilloscope is connected wrong, cause the under source is connected to the oscilloscope in the contrary polarity...   so it seems the sources are 180° but they are not.

You see that clearly in the oscope, you get chA+16ch  B-16  summing=0 , you are only getting this waveform cause you are seeing two isolated tracks... if you add them up on the scope, this you will show you 0 volts. for this exact configuration.

This phase angle is relative to a source...

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2011, 15:15:23 pm »
If you take a center tap transformer, and use the center tap as your ground referance,you will see +12 volts on one side and -12 volts on the other side.Now when you take a ready from the +12 volts leg to the -12 volt leg you get 24 volts.This is what I think Tony is trying to point out,and this is how I see it myself.
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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2011, 15:21:29 pm »
If you take a center tap transformer, and use the center tap as your ground referance,you will see +12 volts on one side and -12 volts on the other side.Now when you take a ready from the +12 volts leg to the -12 volt leg you get 24 volts.This is what I think Tony is trying to point out,and this is how I see it myself.
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Thats correct don.
Yes The multimeter is showing correct the volts...
but what i'm pointing is that he is confusing the phases...  If the oscilloscope was correctly connected it also should show the added tensions when adding up the two signals... instead of zero

However in meyers vic he has the secondary and tx4 coil adding and tx5 coil subtracting... like what i'm pointing...