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All about the 8XA
« on: September 23, 2011, 17:53:43 pm »
Hello everyone,
 
I'm new to all of this Stan Meyer stuff and I have been studying/reading/watching whatever material I can get my hands on.  My personal problem has been a lack of information.  Everytime I think I have all the patents or I have seen all of the videos, a new set of stuff pops up.
 
It's getting hard to keep all this stuff straight, especially when it appears Stan had many variations or evolutions of his ideas.
 
I want to get started on the basics and need a little help.  I'm trying to figure out where to start.  I saw TonyWoodside and a couple other people recommend starting with the 8XA circuit first, before getting into the more advanced stuff.
 
My first question is, was the 8XA circuit used for the WFC that had the adjustable plates?  I know these are very basic questions, but I want to make sure I have everything understood correctly.

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I saw the pictures that DynoDon posted here:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,844.msg13442.html#msg13442
 
This is exactly what I want to build.  I did see that StanMeyerLives built this setup and it looks like it worked.  Here is his thread:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1976.0.html
 
I want to build something like this but I have some questions about what parts to use.  I posted in StanMeyerLives thread but there was no response.  I sent him an email through the message board and also a PM and no response.  I even registered at his website stansdream.com but my account is waiting for activation or something, so I can’t post in his thread over there…..
 
I was hoping you guys can help me figure out what I need to build this setup.  First off, is this essentially the circuit that is in the video “It runs on water”?  It looks like it, a couple knobs, a couple meters, etc…  just wanted to ask, because that video he has the tube set instead of variable plates. 
 
Ok, in regards to the 8XA circuit, is there any existing threads with part numbers to build this thing?  I’m going off of DynoDon’s pictures (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,844.msg13442.html#msg13442) and I can’t figure out what some of the part numbers are.
 
The 8XA looks like it’s actually three circuits. 
1. PC9XD circuit for voltage regulation
2. PC9XB for handling pulse width
3. 8XA that uses the above two sub-circuits within it.
 
OK, so my initial question is, does the PC9XD circuit just provide 5 & 12 volt power for anything that needs that in the larger circuit?  Ie, the IC chips in the PC9XB card and stuff like that?
 
So those are my initial questions, I’ll make circuit specific questions in follow up posts.
 
 
 

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9XD circuit
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 18:08:16 pm »
OK, here's my specific questions about the 9XD circuit.
 
The power transformer doesn't look like it's variable, so I'm guessing I can use any 12 volt power supply, capable of up to 3 amps?  Old PC power supply? 
 
Or could I just use an old PC power supply to get 5 & 12 volts directly, bypassing the need to build the 9XD altogether?
 
Suppose I did want to build the 9XD, what is the value for capacitor C4.  Diagram DynoDon posted says .33mF, but what voltage?
 
Also, is .33mF the same as .33uF when buying capacitors?
 
I think I could fabricate this circuit myself, I have a little experience soldering and making basic circuits.
 
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9XB Questions
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 18:31:27 pm »
In regards to the 9XB circuit, I have many questions.  First off, what watt rating do you recommend for all of the resistors and pots?  I don't know how to calculate this....I know input power is 12 or 5 volts, and the rating of the resistor, but I don't know how much current this circuit uses. I would just guess 1/4 watt or something basic?
 
Also, the .01 uF capacitor, what voltage rating would that be?  Would it have to be anything above 12 volts because that is what is feeding the circuit?
 
Above each of the decade counters, the diagram shows "in/10".  What does that mean?  Does that just indicate that whatever the 555 or input gives it, it will divide that by 10?
 
I am planning on bread boarding these circuits, so a lot of this I think I will learn when I test it out, I mainly need to know what to choose for resistor/cap values
 
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8XA Questions
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 19:17:33 pm »
In regards to the actual 8XA circuit, I'm having problems trying to find part numbers listed on DynoDon's schematic.
 
Full bridge rectifier = MB12A2 5V 40
Clarostat vp-25-k
 
The Clarostat is listed as obsolete.  It looks like an adjustable wire wound resistor or something.  Can I just use a pot?  I'm not even sure what this is, any help?
 
Before posting, I think I figured out the bridge rectifier.  Looks like a 400v 25a.  I still can't find anyone that sells it, so might have to substitute something else in.
 
For the choke, is there only ONE choke in this circuit?  Can I just wrap the wires around a ferrite rod?  It looks like the EC52 is a 'E' shaped core.  Not sure if I can get those anymore, I don't know where to buy anything like that.
 
From my understanding, there's just two wires that are wrapped bifilar on one core?  What does the diagram mean when it says 760uH per coil?  Isn't there only ONE coil?  Is that if you were trying to run a multiple tube setup or something?  Each would need it's own coil?
 
Last question, near bottom right of diagram, the ground says TO BRIDGE.  Does this just connect the ground connection on the bridge rectifier?
 
Also, can I just use 18 gauge magnet wire for the choke?
 
I already picked up a Powerstat 21 for cheap.  I'm looking to order the rest of the stuff soon.  Any help would be appreciated.  Sorry for such long posts....

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Re: All about the 8XA
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 22:37:27 pm »
Yes, you could use any old voltage source for the 5V and 12V rail. A PC psu might just do it, might not.
The drawing for the Dual voltage regulator is just a basic design straight out of the books anyways.