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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2011, 00:48:34 am »
@webmug
Iron wire primary will generate more heat as you say, it also induces more current.
 
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The thing is tony we can discuss what you are saying for many years to come, as they have for the last 4 years. If i believed what you are saying had value i would be all ears, i do mean that, but so many have built it or variations of with no tube system to show for there work, or steam resonator or injector system. Current flows hydrolysis or some slightly novel gas method of little use is the result. Time has proved this beyond any reasonable doubt. I have built meyers copper vic, it did not work, i could not make it work and i cannot put any sort of spin on it to make it still look a promising avenue of research to continue with. You clearly are a skilled technician and if you can get your copper vic to work as meyer described i will post some beers straight to your doorstep.  ;)

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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2011, 01:20:35 am »
@spintronic

I think maybe we are on the same page.

The iron wire on the secondary and choke acts as part of the transformer core.  It gets magnetized, the electron orbits align themselves at this time. 

When the orbits are aligned, they have a polarity, a positive and negative pole.  The magnetic field created by the primary winding locks the electrons into place, because opposites attract, therefore no current flows.

This may be oversimplified but I think it fits the electron bounce that Stan describes.  Electron spin theory is new to me, but still corresponds with my interpretation of what Stan wrote.

Maybe another way to do it is make a toroid core out of the iron wire which would be the secondary winding and choke, then wrap the primary on top of it.    The leakage may be easier to contain because of the toroid configuration, but definetly harder to wind.


Without a doubt, there are always multiple ways of accomplishing a goal.  I think copper will work, but less efficient in a different winding configuration.

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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2011, 02:32:36 am »
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Sounds to me like your starting to pick it up, in ferrous wire the electron spin forms tiny bar magnets. in copper the spin does not form magnets. copper can never work.  Like you say it fits with what meyer was talking about and now we can put some science behind it. I can see your putting the pieces together ,where there was darkness let there be light.
 
keep researching and dont forget to post what you find to help everyone.  8) 
 
think about it if magnets are formed in the secondary coil they can become "stuck" to each other if aligned north to south poles, electron clustering. It will give one end of the coil a north pole the other a south. Now add the inhibit choke that has formed north and south poles being in the same magnetic field with the same electron clustering effect. wire its south pole to the secondary south pole, would this not further reduce any current.
 
The more you think about it the more it makes sense.
 
Once i have spread the good news to enough it will be time to move on to meyers other kit.
A little more feedback is needed...
 
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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2011, 09:45:31 am »
Here are some scope shots of my VIC Transformers outputs and as you can see the voltages are 180 degrees out of phase like Stan says they should be.












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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2011, 10:33:58 am »
not given much thought to waveforms out of the vic, working on getting a easy way of winding the primary for larger build. but with no current influx into the circuit current will not be 90 degrees out of phase, it will not be there.
 
There is one fundemental problem you have with the copper wire vic, it is impossible to restrict current and keep full voltage or anywhere near full voltage across the wfc. to make matters worse current flowing, even teny weny amounts stop meyers water splitting process. game over bud. people have tried for so long a time and failed. i have seen the technology i describe work with my own eyes, i have not made a mistake, time will show this to true, unless your one of the MIB`s (men in black) in which case a wfc will be sitting in your front room. get working on that all copper vic or i will be downing those beers otherwise destined for your doorstep.

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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2011, 11:05:50 am »
That's not true, coils with copper wire can restrict current flow. It's not the wires DC resistance that restricts the current, it's the magnet fields that are generated with in the coil and the Inductive & Capacitance Reactance that restricts current flow. Not sure where you're getting your information about this. I've tested and demonstrated this current restricting effect. I made a coil for the 8XA circuit that had inductance around 3H for L1 and 2.5H for L2 and I got resonance with that setup. I was inputting around 10vdc through the choke and restricting current below 25mA and outputting voltage well over 1kv peak. The water was charged up well enough that I could place a light bulb next to the cell and it would light up. I guess you haven't figured out yet that the LC circuit works with both Series & Parallel Resonance. You have a Series Resonance between the Secondary, L1, and the Cell. You have Parallel Resonance between L1 & L2. Not sure if you know what the different effects are between Series & Parallel Resonance or not. I will give you a quick lease. Series Resonance will give you a minimum impedance at the resonance frequency and Parallel Resonance will give you maximum impedance at the resonant frequency. Minimum impedance mean no resistance (XL=XC) and maximum impedance means infinite resistance (Amp Restriction). Spintronic, do you have any background in electronics?
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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2011, 12:02:33 pm »
Tony
"  You have Parallel Resonance between L1 & L2. " is it true
or between L2 and the cell?
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Re: How to build the vic tried and tested
« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2011, 15:52:10 pm »
Tony
If  I may ask a question or two.  Are your scope shots done with the two probes at the positive and negative plates so to speak?  Is your vic transformer wired and set up exactly like meyer's drawing of the four coils?  Or is it done with the 8XA coil?
I'd like to duplicate your inversed phase situation.
I've been trying various core materials and have found iron rebar rods for concrete works best so far. Thin strips of magnetic laminate steel are currently under testing.  I've been able to turn some steel bolts into nice permanent magnets after a short time.
Spintronic,
What are you trying for vic core materials?
Regards,
 
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