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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 05:47:22 am »
First of !!! thats awesome Steve, yet from your video i think you have a harmonic not resonance (sorry to be a stick in the mud, measure you cell capacitance and your connected inductance, total, LC resonance the numbers).


Just cause everyone is doing it i though i would throw in my thoughts on this process. This is an oscillating tank circuit. By pulsing the closed loop (transformer/s, inductor,cap,inductor back to transformer) you move the electrons from one side of the cap to the other. There is resistance in the inductors to create the magnetic field. Once the charge has moved the electrons to one plate and the inductors field has collapsed forcing the charge to increase on said plate (and your dielectric loss at that voltage have been removed as a small amount of electrolysis). With the lack of any forces holding this charge on the capacitor there is an imbalance moving all the electrons back through the circuit (setting up reverse polarity magnetic fields) to the other plate, where the inductors cram up the voltage again as their fields collapse (as you increase voltage the amount of resistance to amp flow a material has is reduced. This then flows back the other way except if you transformer pulses at just the right time it bolsters this movement of electrons, (electro-magnetic strength is based very heavily on amp flow so on the high voltage side there is less amp flow) and increases its quantity of charge (quantity as in amp strength not voltage potential). This pumping action continues (and you loose a little bit more of your charge each time there is no resonant "kick") until you hit the breakdown point of the dielectric.


Then if you can keep the voltage rising past this point you can actually get to the point of "avalanche effect". Now as stan used an alternator in tune with his cell, at the begining, he would of been pumping in both directions, not really needed.
 At true resonance your cell will continue to increase in voltage until all of your input amps are passed through the dielectric at each oscillation. This said a far better set up would be a step-down transformer as this would push more amps through the circuit (theory point!!!)


All in all you are doing all of our "B" and "C"'s for us!!!

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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 11:00:38 am »
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Pardon the jump in,

Thanks a million for the mid winter circuit fun Steve and Tony,  I'll be building and testing both, it is appreciated and welcomed right about now. 

having learned mosfets it is now time for SCRs

btw,  I play with a 110 to 220 step up transformer after my variac and use a irfbc40...  have others tried this?

at 350vdc in and very slim pulse width, I get some good gas all below 1 amp.   830v peak to peak at tube +

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I have question to you. Where you connect ground of your probe of oscyloscope when you measure 830 V peak to peak?
thank you for ansver
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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 19:39:31 pm »
Andy & Crazy,

the neg oprobe is put at neg line on amp meter after HV bridge, btw running at 1200hz - 2400hz....

  probes across the tubes show 70 volts

Crazy,  I'm dong just that, my step down toroids and now with my new iron powder EI core I'll test this theory further.  I've made it so I can switch out cores for tests.  Step downs always have made more gas for me.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2011, 20:52:37 pm »
Andy & Crazy,


  Step downs always have made more gas for me.

You get more current with step downs.

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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2011, 21:24:11 pm »
Yaro,

bizactacally, thus my concordance with Crazy's ideas...  current equals electron flow by definition, so maybe by rhythmically forcing bulk electrons back & forth physically across the water has an effect on gas production

common electrolysis shows that at the negative electrode
success with these AC and SCR replica circuits may convince me of a meyer effect, indeed

...crapping my pants from witnessing an actual "avalanche effect" would be welcomed.


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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2011, 23:59:24 pm »
Hi Steve
Do you measure 800vac accros water capacitor? ( ground point of probe to one plate wfc and hot point of probe of your oscyloscope to two plate of wfc?)
Do you connect earth to your circuit ( if yes to where?)
If you have 800Vac on the chokes what is voltage on water capacitor? We need high voltage on the water capacitor ( not on chokes or VIC)
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The probe is not across the plates, but over the chokes.
Here is a picture of the scope when the probe is across the plates..
It al looks a bit like Puharich waveforms..


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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2011, 00:01:12 am »
wow so thats like 2.25 milliamps going into your tube set and your making gas. looks like proof of concept to me!

How much gas? Yes, you can get resonance, but how much gas do you actually get?

Not mucho.... :'(
Its much less then normal electrolysis...
But i think it is a next step in cracking Meyer.

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Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 00:04:17 am »
Pardon the jump in,

Thanks a million for the mid winter circuit fun Steve and Tony,  I'll be building and testing both, it is appreciated and welcomed right about now. 

having learned mosfets it is now time for SCRs

btw,  I play with a 110 to 220 step up transformer after my variac and use a irfbc40...  have others tried this?

at 350vdc in and very slim pulse width, I get some good gas all below 1 amp.   830v peak to peak at tube +

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You are welcome to jump in...Kickback.

I couldnt get the scr's i have here, to work.
Hope you have more luck.
If you have 1 amp consumption, then you must see gas. And then its propably normal electrolysis..sorry...
Steve