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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 14:44:17 pm »
its always a outside factor, i wont hawe my engine pulling the HHO out, that would be way to hard to controll and since i like to hawe control with the flow, im going to use the electronic flow valves and solenoids i just got
overpressure is realy important and u dont whant ur car suckin the WFC, u need to feed it as much as u can produce without loosing pressure
and here my HHO storage comes in the picture, there is no WFC atm that can feed a engine and hawe enough for idling the engine, atleast until we can solve how we add the steam/mist of water with the HHO


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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2008, 22:31:50 pm »
w00t!

my acryl/plexi plate arived to day, so i can finaly put aside the tube`s and start working on my new tank
210x150x2 cm plate, so i hawe some serious cuting to do this weekend
i should hawe enough to make a few test tank`s
il be testing the 61 plate and 101 plate to a further stage, im not shure il make the plates 6x6 like Bob`s tho, but more like 4x8 to get the "chimney" effect i like with pipe`s
(btw my tube cell cracked at 65 PSI under the preshure test, so much for that cell)  ::)


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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2008, 23:59:57 pm »
Hi,

if you need any advise on platecells, i suggest you contact Kumaran.
I know that he is an expert on that field.

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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2008, 02:47:39 am »
i came in contact with a company that lasercut SS steel for the lab im working in, they had a great number of sizes of plates and tubes
and with simple CAD drawings he gawe me a reasonable price`s on quite a few solutions
so this weekend il test out a few plate design`s before i decide the next step

Question1: is it only me or does HHO production rise sky high when u close up sides and bottom of the cell?
Question2: with thiner SS plates it seem to me like production i better?    True/False?




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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2008, 03:03:45 am »
i havent really had much dealing with plates, not sure,, i would like to know that as well...

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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2008, 12:03:00 pm »
Hi Brownsgas,

With regards to question 1, yes, the production does go up much more when sealing the sides and bottom of the cell, simply because when you do that, you are forcing the electrons to pass THROUGH the plates instead of around it.  If you think about, (and I can't remember what law it is, but there is something the guys with thick glasses thought up for this), electricity will always take the shortest route to ground, which in effect means that if you have a bunch of plates in an electrolyte bath with the sides and bottom open, most of the electricity will simply flow from the edges o the plates to the negative side, effectively bypassing most of the plate area because it flows around it.  However, when you seal up the sides and bottom of the cell, the electrons have no other route to ground except to travel through each and every single plate, thus forcing all the electricity through the plate area, which , in turn, produces a lot more gas.  This was first patented in 1967 by WA Rhodes (patent attached), where he describes the same thing.

To answer question 2, the bottom line is true that you would get better production using thinner SS.  There have been a bit of discussion going on as to exactly why this is, some say it's because the electrons travel through the thinner plates more quickly, others say it's because the electrons have much easier way of getting through the plates and don't have to overcome a lot of internal resistance found in each plate, etc.  What I can tell you though from my own experimenting is that I have built a 101 plate cell with SS shimstock (0.12mm thickness), and while it works GREAT, the trade off is that you struggle to get your plate spacing right, and also because the SS is so thin, working with it (cross hatching, etc) is very difficult.  They often end up warping the edges or bending when you slide them into the cell, which causes inconsistencies with the rest of the plates, reducing the overall efficiency of the cell.  But the production is really good once you figure out how to work with the plates properly and how to straighten them out after bending slightly ;)

I have also built a cell with 0.5mm SS plates, which hold up a lot better in terms of ruggedness and spacing, but I have also found that the production is slightly less than the shimstock cell.  In my honest opinion though, the difference between 0.5mm and 0.12mm plates is about 5% (with the 0.12mm being the better production), so at the end of the day, thinner plates is not really going to make that big of a difference, especially not when you are running the cell in a resonance drive fashion.

Taking all of this back to what Bob Boyce thinks of this, he likes to use 16 gauge (1.2mm if I am not mistaken) or 18 gauge (1mm) plates, simply because of the high level of stability they provide and the fact that you can work with them in a very high tolerance and still maintain plate integrity.

Over and out

Johan



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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2008, 14:35:55 pm »
Hi Watky,

Thank you for your info. Its very good.
I do have a question about sealing the bottom and sides. I have seen that before and the question for me is how you get a flow in such a device. How do you refill?

do you have any suggestion on that?
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Re: HHO storage
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2008, 17:01:00 pm »
thx for the info Watkykjy
my logic was rite then, i agree the 0,5 and less plates are a pain to allign perfectly in a box cell, that is why im going to get my next set of plates laser cutted, the SS plates is already brushed from factory so i dont hawe to handle the plates much
the only handeling i need is when im "casting sides and bottom" (basicly a 1.3mm nylonwire glued on the plates first and then liquid plastic is used to make a cast that hold`s the plates)
since i feel Hyrdocars and other`s here hawe full controll on the electronic`s i think its better to use my time and energy on the cell and out, im just using brute force now until we hawe stone cold facts on the electronic side
ive been using a 200A altenator from a car, and eaven tested a welding trafo 48V 300A   :o
this brute force help me to hawe enough gas to play with engines and fuel mixes (picked apart a watercondenser for houshold`s wich had a ultrasound generator to make humidity, the wife got mad for pickin it apart tho  ::) )
il take any ideas on how to mix the HHO with water before combustion guys !!!


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