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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 23:47:19 pm »
Steve,

Thank you for the heads up on compressing HHO, we are focused on getting out the H2 and using it immediately as fuel, hence our interest in separating out the oxygen so that we can burn just H2.

The reason for the quantification of H2 in Kg, is because it converts easily over to GGE measurements against diesel and gasoline and natural gas and makes comparisons effective. In addition, it is easy to compare the relative btu values of each fuel in understanding what makes sense as alternatives to what we use now.

I am in Green-tech but come out of a product integration background on a macro level rather than on the CTO level. We have made much progress in the HHO generation area and I am now looking ahead to see how we can separate the O from the Hs:)

We are also very interested in transportation and you guys across the pond are definitely ahead of the game on the macro level.

If you are using the HHO as fuel, is it pure HHO without any other hydrocarbons?
Or are you supplementing existing systems with HHO injection?

Thanks for yr clarification on your background, so to speak, PB.
The whole idea of using water as a fuel is the get ride of the carbon part.
However, pure hydrogen or hho gas will get into the metal of yr engine.
Its better to add some oildrops in the running proces.
Some use alcohol vapour to get some carbons in the proces.

For me, i have ran my two engines, who i had available for this hobby, pure and only on HHO and ambient air.
My add-on to improve the burnrate of the hho/ambient air mix  and to get a much better efficiency was an ambient air modifier.
It got me up to 40% better engine performance when it ran on HHO only.





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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2012, 23:52:47 pm »
If there is no noteworthy effect when combusting HHO in an internal combustion engine, why use it? And if it is used for energy storage purposes, why not use a fuel cell?

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2012, 01:21:56 am »
Haithar,

First, there is a benefit of mixing HHO into a carbon based fuel stream, particularly diesel fuel, as you can get real world 15-24% fuel economy increases diesel fuel savings, and you cut significantly into the emissions and particulates coming out of the exhaust, and extend engine life. The ROI is often less than a year and the savings can run into serious money.

The storage medium for hydrogen is the water, if you can make the hydrogen very cost effectively, make it onsite, and make it on demand fast enough to meet demand, your storage issue goes away.

The problem with fuel cells is their CAP EX is too high, their run time is too short, and if the hydrogen is matched to a long running quality hydrogen engine and genset, the comps are going to push the fuel cells to very narrow specialty applications.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2012, 13:30:47 pm »
Steve,

Thank you for the heads up on compressing HHO, we are focused on getting out the H2 and using it immediately as fuel, hence our interest in separating out the oxygen so that we can burn just H2.

Didn't Meyer in his patents seperate the H and O with static electric fields placed on membrames? I do not recall exactly which patent it was but i have read it in one of them ....

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2012, 16:27:11 pm »
Sharky,

That works okay on low volume HHO production. But when you get north of 100 SLM the in cell membranes are overwhelmed and you get lots of production but it is HHO.

Thank you for the recall of the design and membrane in cell design.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2012, 16:41:42 pm »
Steve,

How did your last build go with regard to getting to self sustaining?

The German video appeared to be straight up electrolysis so it would not be likely that they could get to a self sustaining state. If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?

No, i was not able to run a selfsustaining system with hho and drycells and ionizers.
That is simply not possible. An engine is like 30% efficient. My drycells are around 120% faraday efficient. Much more then the anton cells, btw.

The germans have been tricking us all.
And i think i know how.
To be honest, their result is not bad. However, theY didnt tell you what was in the bublers.....

Steve

Even if they had a carbon-based but transparent water-like liquid in their bubblers, that whole process would still be pretty efficient, wouldn't it? How much of this liquid could get into the engine per minute? Probably not much.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2012, 18:56:20 pm »
Steve,

How did your last build go with regard to getting to self sustaining?

The German video appeared to be straight up electrolysis so it would not be likely that they could get to a self sustaining state. If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?

No, i was not able to run a selfsustaining system with hho and drycells and ionizers.
That is simply not possible. An engine is like 30% efficient. My drycells are around 120% faraday efficient. Much more then the anton cells, btw.

The germans have been tricking us all.
And i think i know how.
To be honest, their result is not bad. However, theY didnt tell you what was in the bublers.....

Steve

Even if they had a carbon-based but transparent water-like liquid in their bubblers, that whole process would still be pretty efficient, wouldn't it? How much of this liquid could get into the engine per minute? Probably not much.

Yes, Haithar. I totally agree with you.  :)


Steve