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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2008, 06:32:17 am »
The first thing you read when you look at stanleys vic patent is "Thermal Explosive Energy" or HOD on demand! also he has a video where he says and demonstraights the small vic injector, he says its all thats needed to run the little car.

Patents are just saying, hey i have something, patents do not show or bring detales for the actual device, so the vic really doesn't even exsist, or if it does then it works nothing like you see in the patent.

What stanley is saying about the vic is that the inductor "C" will UP the Frequency that the Transformer "A" is producing, so the inductor C acts as a Frequency Booster. So inductor C does changer polaritys, 2 times or even more for every 1 time the Transformer A takes a cycle.

So Inductor C is what you're trying to get resonate here, when you get inductor C to resonate, the capacitor has already taken on a charge, with that said and known in electronics Inductor C has Also taken on a charge, From the Front of Inductor C to the back of the capacitor Negative lead forms a series BOOST. so you ADD the voltage across the cell to the voltage across the inductor and it is INDEED higher than the amount of voltage powering the system because the Capacitor not only has taking on a charge but is no combined with the inductor C "at inductance resonance """""threw the diode""""" "

Wiper are inductor D is biffilar wraped with resistant wire, as for inductor C and transformer A as well. all biffilar. Inductor D Changes the Resistance of the Fuel cell, thats its job. If the water conducts in stanleys world then no electric fields will be produdced so the wiper arm also helps to PREVENT amp flow since it acts as a tunable resistor not to mention that all the inductors used is resistant SS wire.

if it is possible to send high voltage threw water without the water itself conducting then the volts will remain high, the cell would take on a charge and it would be the electric fields that pulled the water molecule apart and NOT power from a battery source. The problem is it has been proven not to work.

Also, During resonance of Inductor C after the water fuel cell has taken on a charge, the water itself Tends to start resonating or oscillating Caused by the electric Force From Transformer A and Inductor C.

When a opera singer breaks a Glass she finds resonance of The Glass, This is Clearly NOT what stanley was doing, he was Claiming to Use Electric Fields, the whole reason of Restricting AMP FLOW.


STANLY MEYERS is the man that said to use Pulsed DC, not pure DC, he is the guy that caused me to understand that PULSED DC does work better. as i recall in one of his patents he said he used unfiltered unregulated Pulsed DC as well.

He was producing Gas with Pulsed DC, You can get burst of gas this way, and it will continue to burst. But as he described the VIC the Blockind dioded would allow the Inductor C to resonate with or Threw the WFC, so yes there is a reason for that diode allthough no gas is produced at resonance only Very high volts, This also proved that the vic didn't work. I think Dogs from waterfuelcell.org is also learning about this as i have heard he found resonance but no gas, you drop under resonace and you gain gas.

Stanly wasn't using anything overunity at all, there is nothing special about his way of producing hydroxy, however what is special is that he knows something that we do not, he is mixing his own gas some way or he is using a PEM te extract electricity to produce even more hydrogen. The man has everone on a wild goose chase and me and a few others have already confirmed the man is a liar,, and we also agree we would have done the same to protect the work he has protected if it was ours. but the cats outta the bag now, its just a matter of time.

there is few that understands the process and now has moved on to the next level, how did he do it with the gas that he was producing? the journey has begun!

EDIT,,,, Well,, i didn't really mean he was a liar, what i meant to say is patents are not true, they're just saying hay, i got something here,, i dont think anyone shows there actual device in their patents,, anyways sorry for my slopy typing on the fly tonite, it is 1:05 am
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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2008, 06:55:52 am »
The reason i have not posted to the internet my gas production is people do not understand at all, they just want to know what you produce.

i will now post what is being produced with cells, before i do i would like to explain This.

Over a period of 1 year hardcore testing it was learned that pulsed DC can out perform pure DC. You have the ones that use KOH and other additives that can compete with Pulsed DC.

The problem is when you use KOH or additives you consume amps and this cost heat, power and more money. when you compare my gas output to someone elses gas output that is using Koh and DC then of course there output is going to be better, but they're severely paying to do this.

using no additives with pulsed dc, you can get away with not consuming amps, but only with the alternator. the hydrogen output from the cell when driven by an alternator, "unregulated unfiltered DC" is untouchable by a DC source of the same voltage. DC does not produce gas, its a wast of heat.

water is effected;  from over time of testing, Pulsed DC grabs the water and it lets go of it where DC just grabs its and turns to heat, SO you solve this with KOH. OR use just Pulse. but pulses are just more efficient.

if i was to tell you My total Power Consumed was 950 Watts to put out 270 CC's a min or around 1.4 or so liters in 5 mins, then who's cell can compete with that? and did you notice the power consumed? what i mean by this is 950 watts is what should be used to run a driver motor, such as the one stevie runs. no matter if you even have an alternator connected to the driver motor it will still be 950 watts. Under very strong loads you will see it go over 1000 watts. It is very hard for me to explaine this, its not something easily understood, its just something you have to learn and then step back and look at.

the thing is, Pulsed DC verses Additives, you're choosing this, Should i get lots of batterys and use Koh for short runs "where this will cost you"
or should i use pulsed dc to generate a fair amount of gas, "this doesn't cost much" more units can be added. "ITS MORE POSSIBLE THIS WAY THAN THE ABOVE"
i would assume you want this in a car, and not in a tank?

The output of my setup is not what you should be looking at here, it should be learned that Pulsed DC on the right cell is very possible to be installed into a car where Normal DC, its not possible, It could happen but it would be so clunky and heavy it would need servicing rapidly and would not be worth the hassle. this is what stanly knew. his reall cell setup and real way of delivering pulsed dc i am not sure of, but the man made a good point that makes lots of since.
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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 17:04:11 pm »
I don't have a working super efficient   (meyer) WFC, but I can understand what is being being done, and said.

The VIC is a "solid state" alternator, and the alternator is a ROTARY VIC (+ pulse frequency generator) ..  You can see this right here:  http://ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205.0;attach=588

pg. 16 ...   And pg. 15 shows the solid state version.


"Thermal Explosive Energy"    I believe is, the affect you get either during combustion of Hydrogen (when the H H O tries to reform bonds)   or when you disassociate the H2O,    AND somehow keep the Hydrogen (and/or oxygen?) atoms in an 'excited state' (with pulsed light, pulsed current, etc),  The energy  Meyer's refers to, i believe, is spontaneously  created (pulled from another dimension, etc).  Meyer's explains this in a video.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 17:47:37 pm »
as i said cells with additives can compete, heres what ya do, go get the exact same tubes i am using and get a battery that is = to my voltage,,, try and keep up with my production without any additives... you will see it is not possible only if you pulse it or use additives to consume more amps


This is why i didn't want to post my production... people don't understand how to compare efficiency, i think the 950 watt motor kinda threw you a little, it can be mechanical power and i have been learning that the motor doesn't need to be so big as well. there is still things being learned here each day.
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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2008, 22:17:52 pm »
Hi Tim,

Thanks for responding. I already have all patents of all major people in this field and also from Stan the man.
I know this VIC drawings out of my head and on a bad day, i even have nightmares from them... :D

I don not know what you field of expertiece is, but I am from education level a High frequency electronic engineer. It not my job anymore for 20 years, but i do still enjoy some of that knowledge.
And as a child i rebuild cars too......So this hobbie is fitting me quite well.

The reason I asked, is because there is something in those patents of Stan that doesnt make "normal"sense.
For once, is the diode in his circuit not ok, if you talk about resonance. You can use one for doubling voltage in a dc step up voltage doubler.

Secondly, the other strange thing is the core of the VIC.
Not the material, but the way all coils are on it.
It means that all coils are getting the magnet pulses of the primairy coil. That coil is the first coil who is getting magnetisd. The reaction is that all other coils are getting a magnetic field and when that field collapses, you will have a BEMF reaction, so you have a current running throu ALL the coils!

But any way. Its time to figure that out and to setup some high voltage resonance circuits.
I orderd 2 neon circuits who are putting out a 7kv unloaded, and the will put out a 1.5kv with load.
I got my LCR meter last week and I will have a HV probe next week coming.
It s time to prove LC resonance with a wfc.

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I also continue my alternator/steam setup....That setup proved it self already!

My knowledge is quite limited in electronics.  Nothing like yours.

I've just been reading the patents.  When I see something like Hydrocars state that the VIC was the spark plug replacement and then see it listed in WO 92/22679 Figure 6 as the HFP Injector, I get confused as to which is which.  Also if the Patent information is not correct then this could just be a big waste of time.  I mean where would you start?

I think I read in one of your post lately saying you thought Meyer was trying to hide his setup in the Patents.  Maybe so.  I think if it were me, I would write the Patents as plain as day so that if someone were to duplicate, it would be clearly seen that it was my patent.

Concerning your alternator setup.  What would be the application for such a setup?  Would you use it to heat water and air? What is your output-LPM?  Does your setup remain in resonance automatically? 

What do you think of Stephen Meyers two alt setup Pat US2005/0246059?

Tim



Hi Tim,

I understand the confusion. First, you have to understand that everybody is learning. So is Hydrocars and so am I.
What we like to do here, is to help you guys out with what we know and vica versa what we can learn from you!
Stan explains it better then anybody, why he did what he had to do with those patents. He wrote many options to protect his finding. Like the use of resistive wire for a trafo or coil. In this video he explains that it was for being sure that nobody else could make a same sort of patent with other sort of wire in it.

The fun thing is that you have to understand to, that Stan had a development timeline.
He started with an alternator and ended with the sparkplug replacements. Thats a periode of 20 years or so.

The question were to start is for us a simple one. I can speak for Hydro as well in this case. Go use the alternator.
Thats the one that works. You have seen it working.
The second question for you is what your endgoal is with this stuff.
My endgoal and Hydro's endgoal is to get an engine running on this stuff.

Cell efficiency's is important, but not leading in this stage of development. First you have to prove the concept.
Even if it took you a 4kw to run a 0.5kw engine.........
As you have seen on the forum, we think that you can run an engine with 10cc hydrogen. On other sides you read different stuff. Until the moment that we proved the concept, we cannot say what we actually need..!

Your question about my gasoutput is very simple: its on its best, without the use of chemicals, a 0.35ltr per minute.
My alternator setup does not have trouble of getting the resonance state or to stay in that.
The word resonance is used for many different possible behaviours. Thats also tricky with Stans patents.

The question about Stephen Meyer is as follows: My 2 cents are that Stephen use a circuit that optimises the powertransfer for the alternator to the WFC. Its no more then an impedance adapting circuit.
As you may have noticed, is the behaviour of the WFC part capacitor and part resistor.
The more tubes in parallel, the lower the resistance of the WFC. There is an ideal point of what the alternator like to see as resistive load. There is also a ideal point of the WFC of getting power. You can match those two with a circuit. Thats what Stephen did, as far as I understand it. Its a good thing! But its not what Stan wrote in his patents.

I hope that i answerd your questions...if not, just ask again.

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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2008, 12:50:23 pm »
What is it what we see when we look at the VIC.
Is there something magical in the design? Are we hoping to find a miracle in it?

Last night I was thinking about this component for the 1 milions time in my life.
Just figuring out what Stan did. I have learned so many things of Stans patents, last months.
I think i can say that Stan was a smart man.
Now you all are asking: Tell us the secret of Stan.
I will and i will do it now. Stan found a way to make hydrogen with voltage.
Thats it.
The other thing of Stan is that he had a masterplan. He wanted to try to get as many patents as possible for electrolysis processen based on voltage. All stuff you see in those patents works.
Ok, it doesnt produce lots of hydrogen, but they do work.
The real thing that produces lots of hydrogen with almost no amps is still the holy grale of Stans work. We can assume that it workd on voltage and not on amps.

The VIC is such a part of Stans brainwaves.
What is it and what does it do?
Look close. What do you really see there.
We have a core and we have coils on it.
A Primairy coil and 3 secondairy coils. Thats what you see.
If the Prim coil is excited, the other coils are getting a magnetic field.
When the secondairy coils are connected in serie, and thats what I see, you just simply add the voltage outputs of those 3 coils together. Thats what it is.
Stan patented a normal transformer. And it produced bubbles at the Patent office, so he was granted his patent on a simple transformer. He was as surprised as anybody to get it.

Any search for resonance or other interesting stuff has to done outside the VIC.
So, you go and play with chokes and coils. Thats good research.
But the VIC is a simple transformer.

Hopes this helps.

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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 03:02:05 am »
Wow H2O, those coils look awesome!

Don;t worry weather anyone thinks you are out there or not. We all have ideas, but not all of us are able and some are not willing to try them out. The worst thing that can happen is it doesn't turn out to be a discovery. The best thing that can happen is it does!

Let us know how you make out with that. It makes sense to me, who knows...

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Re: How To Construct & make a working VIC
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2008, 06:14:53 am »
wow, and color coded!!! way to go man, i like it!