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Re: Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2010, 00:22:48 am »
water isnt a conductor but the elements withing water make it conductive... its resistive properties are determined by the amount of contaminates within the water.. there is a magnetic field i would say being forced on water because if you watch dynodons 3rd video when he bring the video camera  withing a certain area behind one of the plate the audio starts to pick up the pulsing field..

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2010, 01:23:49 am »
The magnetic field will depend on the inductance and the current that is passing thru the water. and will be relatively small. the capacitance of the water would higher than the inductance so water behave as a capacitor...

Steve the pictures you upload shows how the thermal energy is obtained.

Stan explains that the oxygen missing 4 electrons ... being a big atom and positively charged (potential energy added) will want to stabilize and when the spark start the explosion (chain reaction) what happens is that oxygen missing electrons attracts the hydrogen that is relatively small and having only one electron, with more violence releasing thermal energy = to the impact of the atoms. The gain is in kinetic energy. Or heat. Theoretically this holds.

YEs to ionize the h2 is harder because its electron seats on the first orbital thus is very strong attracted by the nuclei.

If you use magnetic field you can slow down or raise the velocity spin of the electrons making it to come closer to the nuclei or far from the nuclei. laser energy can do it too in somehow. He says the nuclei absorbs energy, meyer pictures shows it... 

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Re: Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2010, 01:28:24 am »
if you note the fig 6

the electrodes are drawn in a certain way witch in other patents are described as permanent  magnets (with the lines in 45° inclination. And it indicates attracting force. If you look to all other drawings is the same. _The only different is the steam resonator ones...

So again something that talks to me and say he used magnetic electrodes (maybe)

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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2010, 01:31:02 am »
i was just thinking. when stan ionized oxy into higher state this has to make the gas go into a more expanded state appearing as more in volume since if all the gas is potiviely charged and missing the balanceing electrons they have to repel more.. so if they repel more then when they do go to stablize they will have more of a collapse.. thermal energy is produced from the collapse of imbalance right??.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2010, 01:42:39 am »
I think wont expand that much if the energy goes into the oxygen as electrical attraction form if it was heated it would expand for sure. But being o2 or oo should not give very big difference.

The thermal energy comes from the burning. The gain comes from this greater attraction that creates a bigger impact.

If you would just heat the gas you would give it energy but it would have expansion and thus you could have less energy coming out from a motor as the density would be lower...

Anyway i think we should just focus now on the energy source for now.

The thermal energy he invented was to need less water to do the same work. But the energy to add this thermal energy to the water must come from somewhere and thats the subject of this thread.

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Another source of energy is the heat produced on the engine. this could give us a better efficiency when leading with the work done by the movement of the gas...

I calculated to boil one liter of water you only need about 100 watts. So we need to understand well the expansion thing and how many energy it can create.

I was thinking on how to calculate the magnetic field per charged particle we could harvest but is very hard to work with some formulas Maxwell...


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Re: Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2010, 13:00:30 pm »
Yeh, those extended Maxwell formula's are terrible!

But back to the principle of ionizing HHO gas into whatever gas output, who probably can be paramagnetic.
Stan used a transformer (VIC) to create HV at certain frequency.
He used a specific space between his electrodes and the electrodes had a specific lenght.

So, i wanna try something.
Outertube: diam. 2.5cm
Innertube: diam. ?  depends on how much HV (7kv?)(frequency?) and possible sparking. HHO conducts very good, so lots of space is needed.  Maybe 1 cm space?

So, lets us build something

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Re: Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2010, 13:21:29 pm »

Stan explains that the oxygen missing 4 electrons ... being a big atom and positively charged (potential energy added) will want to stabilize and when the spark start the explosion (chain reaction) what happens is that oxygen missing electrons attracts the hydrogen that is relatively small and having only one electron, with more violence releasing thermal energy = to the impact of the atoms. The gain is in kinetic energy. Or heat. Theoretically this holds.

YEs to ionize the h2 is harder because its electron seats on the first orbital thus is very strong attracted by the nuclei.

If you use magnetic field you can slow down or raise the velocity spin of the electrons making it to come closer to the nuclei or far from the nuclei. laser energy can do it too in somehow. He says the nuclei absorbs energy, meyer pictures shows it...


I still have my LEDS laser array, which cover 4 frequencys of the hydrogen atom....
Maybe we need some frequencys of the oxygen, because we want to shoot the electrons of them, is it.

Another question raise: If the oxygen atom looses 4 electrons, it still wants, maybe even more, to mount the hydrogen atom with his single electron.
 What kind of molecule do we get? Some kind of instable water?

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Re: Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2010, 13:33:54 pm »
Found some explanation:


Ionic bonding
Consider now a more difficult situation, one in which two different atoms compete for electrons. One example would be the case involving a sodium atom and a chlorine atom. If these two atoms come close enough to each other, both nuclei pull on all electrons of both atoms. In this case, however, a very different result occurs. The chlorine nucleus has a much larger charge than does the sodium nucleus. It can pull on sodium's electrons much more efficiently than the sodium nucleus can pull on the chlorine electrons. In this case, there is a winner in the battle: chlorine is able to pull one of sodium's electrons away. It adds that electron to its own collection of electrons. In a situation in which one atom is able to completely remove an electron from a second atom, the force of attraction between the two particles is known as an ionic bond.



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