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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 22:47:27 pm »
donald,

i love the theory.. makes alot of sense when it comes to amp restricting..  so you see the alternator having all winds contained within the alternator..   would it be possible to use a finer wire for the chokes in a tri filar configuration? also what about the multi spool vic.. was it designed to be yet another way for obtaining restricted amps but from the exterior of the alternator?   stans pcb seems to indicate that he didnt have problems with heating of his stator windings since it seems to block the circulation within the alternator.

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2009, 00:23:11 am »
Don, I do know the rotor is being pulsed with 120 hz from the variac, same in his set up as is mine, however the way I understand it, this is not important, I am under the impression that the 120 Hz DC on the Rotor would have the exact same effect on the Stator output as if you put a smoothing capacitor after the Bridge to smooth it out to straight DC and then sent that into the Rotor, because it would be the same amount of current creating the magnetic field. The rpm controls the frequency, not the rotor. Stan didn't design it to be pulsed at any particular frequency, he just went with that because that's what comes out of the wall.

However I may be wrong, maybe this pulsing rotor is a brilliant trick, I just haven't had anyone explain it's usefulness. If I had an oscilloscope I might try watching the output with and without a smoothing cap after the Bridge and then see what is so special. Maybe someone with such a set up could try it for me?

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2009, 00:29:19 am »
outlaw, I keep seeing similarities between the VIC Coil and the alternator, all the same key things are involved in both systems, and they rightly should be. I think drawing the connections between them helps to understand them both better. I suppose the stator wouldn't get hot unless there is lots of amps flowing through, but you can see the vent holes all the way around the edge... maybe he wanted the diodes to get lots of air flow... I don't plan on using different sized wire in the stator.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2009, 10:33:27 am »
To all,

A circuit schematic may help a bit, comments are welcome.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2009, 21:02:29 pm »
He was definitly adjusting the rpm of the drive motor that turned the alternator to go into resonance .

His whole setup was in the 1000 watt range or more . The drive motor ran on AC house current and it was not portable.

Its a load of trouble and alot of exterior ineffieciencies if you ask me , at least 300% or more depending on how fast that drive motor is running  . You are transfering electrical to mechanical and back again , none are perfect , they all have conversion losses and are limited by heat and friction of the mechanical components .

I asked my professor @ school if there was a difference between a single phase of AC house current and a sine inverter , there is absolutely no difference .

Both can be transformed easily and run a load, electron phasing will react just as it would in a regular AC network .

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 02:45:00 am »
A variac,,, A variac would only be good for "12" volts, As if you put any more voltage than that into the rotor it will eventually melt it.. Ac, Hrm, The stator already Produces Alternating Magnetic fields as it spins, Using Ac on the rotor is somewhat ignorant.

120 hertz, 240 cycles per second! Is pretty dumb. That would be "Worse" than just using a Car battery to power the rotor, Since you have "Sine Waves" going into the rotor, Adding a capacitor would Help an variac be more like a car battery, But adding full wave ac rectified is like a battery that dies and comes back to life, Whats the point to that?

Charging a Capacitor, At a ("Frequency") will charge the Capacitor to a Much higher Voltage, However, Without a Frequency this is not possible. Example, A 555 timer can charge a Capacitor to "1000" volts using a 1.5 volt battery with a very small transformer.

Example, a 555 timer can charge a capacitor to a much larger voltage using no transformer, Using frequencys to charge a capacitor will always result in a higher voltage across the capacitor than the voltage being used to power the circuit. Frequencys to charge capacitors to high votlages is Very old, In fact, This is Basic Common since to anyone in the electronic field.

You can Full rectify the Variac to the rotor, IF you Limit the current flow to the rotor by placing a pulsing device between the rotor and dc variac, However to do that would mean adding a frequency. But this way you could use more than 12 volts on the rotor, you could use 100 volts, if you restrict it well enough with a frequency.

Yikes, This is a Transformer, A Moving Transformer that Does not NEED AC at its Primary Coil because it is "Moving" alreay, The Rotor Takes "DC" and the Rotor Converts "DC" into "AC" magnetic Fields, The Carrier wave is "AC" what ever the Freq is to pulse the rotor will be riding on this "AC."

A rotor is A Coil of wire wound around a chunk of Iron that is "FIXED" to produced AC Magnetics, "Look at a Rotor," Google a photo. The Shape of the Rotors design also effects the wave form to the stator, A triangle. Think about it.

1. An alternator is a Transformer, A Transformer that Requires DC at its primary coil before it will work properly, It outputs AC. And alternator ususes 12 volts to produce, and step the voltage up to about 30 volts. Since there are 3 phases you add the voltage, and voltage difference together to get about 65 volts of Alternating current. The alternator was not designed for Ac, if you use Ac you probably will not get anything from the stator, you will probably Abuse the system.

Stop saying alternator, Start saying a Dc to Ac Transformer that Moves, rotates. Think about how it works, Put your mind to it. 


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 04:21:03 am »
Webmug, thanks for the picture, however it looks extra complicated :)

to out/dank/warp

None of you are explaining why pulsing the rotor is good, so here I am at my same conclusion, and yes, adjusting rpm will change frequency, so sure, adjusting the rpm of the drive motor is a better option than pulsing anything. Did Stan actually control the rpms from the drive motor? I am starting to seriously consider this option, however the research I have to back up that idea is slim.

I do have a VFD laying around, Variable Frequency Drive, I might look into that for controlling my drive motor if I figure that is useful.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 06:57:33 am »
A 3 Phase Generator Can Produce Harmonics, At a "Certain RPM" and at a "Certain Amplitude" Harmonics Exist!

Now, Today, you understand that the Right Rpm, With the Right Amplitude will Produce Harmonics.

1. Ohms Law Incorperated. If you know the Speed of (Rotor), and if you know the Amplitude, You can Calculate the Frequency of which these harmonics happen.

2. If you know the (Freq) at which the harmonics happen, and you know the Amplitude, you can calculate the Needed Rpm.

3. If you know the Speed of Rotor, and you know the freq of harmonics, you can calculate the Amplitude.

Gaining harmonics is Possible at many Rotor Speeds, it is possible at many amplitudes, and it gernates many frequencys of harmonics. It happens that the Water Fuel Cell likes the harmonics produced at 3500 Rpms, "That Area."

These Harmonics Can Contain Other Frequencys on them, Not only are they harmonics but when you use a pwm you can Insert Other Frequencys on these harmonics that can cause viberations. Just like Tesla stated;

Any change of behaviour of a coil Can be transmitted Amplified and picked up, "Harmonics Can Too Carry Information." Just as the am or Fm Radio.

The Harmonics in My Case, At 3500 Rpm, Carrys a Signal produced from a 700Hz to 1k hertz pwm Which produces Square waves with Harmonics Riding On the top of these Square waves, The Amplitude to the rotor is around 5 to 8 volts,  And in them harmonics is more waves. 

When you are Looping the output of the alternator to its Input Rotor using the Loop Methode Square waves are Produced, The Current flow from the stator is Restricted by the Fet wich acts as a resistor at a Frequency which Pules width modulates the rotor, This causes Square waves to be read across the fuel cell when using an oscilloscope and in them square waves are harmonics at the top, In them harmonics is Viberating waves that most oscilloscopes can not see.

A 3 Dioded Alternator FULL waved Rectified Produces Higher Amplitude Harmonics, Using 6 Diodes to full wave Rectify Produces Lower Amplitude Harmonics, You can Full wave Rectify with 2 diodes, ("2") or 6. When using 2 the voltage will be much higher and resonance will be much Lower, when using 6 the voltage will be much Lower and the resonance will be much higher.

As seen on the scope, 2 diodes at resonance produces Tall Harmonics, 6 Produces very small harmonics.

The RPM is Related to ("Harmonics") which is an phenonomon of 3 phase electricity. Why can you Make the alternators Output Feed its input? Because it is Moving with Kinetic energy which is why it is not perpetual motion. What is the advantage of an alternator (Transformer) over other Transformers, Why was it selected? It moves, Feeding itself from its own produced energy is just 1 advantages, There are Many others.

This Wave From Simply Tickles the water, When will you figure out stan did not run his car on the alternator. The alternator is a Simple Device that can take you Days to understand! But it is simple.

If you do not disect it, and make your self learn what each part does you will always be in wonder, However The alternator is ("Only a Transformer") with advantages over other transformers because Kinetic energy controls it meaning what is not possible with normal transformers May be possible with this transformer.

Theres so much to an alternator, To much to explain and most forgotten.

Rpm, Revolution Per Minute. If it spins at 3 Thousand Revs Per Min, How Many Times does the Rotor Rake across the Stator? There is Plenty math to be done on any alternator, Each is different. Not All Alternators work at 3500 Rpm's because some are Smaller, Their rotors may not contain 8 or so Poles, Some contain 6 or etc,,. Wye and delta differs also, Wye is for longer distances and delta for shorter, I've worked with both and Delta is the stuff.

Thats just a small comment from me on the alternators, In My Mind, Stan was not running that car on that Tube cell, A Tube cell Can Never Produce 7 liters of gas per min of that size, More like 500 CC's if you push it. "If he ran that car, He was hiding something." However, Resonance across a fuel cell is very nice to view, As i have viewed it, But no special Production in gas output. In all my setups the max of my production was 600 cc's using 12 tubes, Its a wast of time and money, it is clearly not what he was doing. Allthough, it is not a wast of money if it thrills you to do stuff like that, You pay to play, Eventually you'll see this is not the setup, Then comes the question,, what was really under the hood?