Water Injector

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Don't get so hung up on positive and negative voltage.

Voltage=Stress

An example:
You have one end of a rubberband secured at a level of 2ft.

Pull up the other end 1ft.  How much tension did it take to get it to stretch up 1ft?  This equals +voltage.

Now stretch it down 1ft.  How much tension did it take to pull it down 1ft.  This equals -voltage.

What's the difference? 

None. 

Positive and negative are our imaginary references to either earth ground or other parts of a circuit, ie...primary of a transformer(maybe has one end of the winding tied to ground, or negative terminal of battery) and then the secondary has NOTHING connected to ground(or batt-) in the circuitry common with the primary side, so there is no exact reference level, just what we measure as a stress field between the ends of the secondary winding.

That's what an isolated ground is.  No particular reference to anything, just a stress field between two points.




On the injector, the outside IS the positive IF the diode(s) on the VIC is reversed.

The engine block is 0V, the higher point of the scale.

The applied voltage is -40KV(40KV as an example).

You have a stress field across the water of 40KV.

Voltage is going to do the work, right? 

What does it matter if "our" point of reference is positive or negative?

The water doesn't care.  It has 40 KV of stress across it.

I hope this makes sense.  I'm starting to get stoned. Oh, not the smoke...Keystone (beer)

Mike

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I don't know why you would throw a resistor in there when you have a 11.6k choke. (impedance matching)

Its still water going thru a cavity and it should break it and explode it.  I stick with rain water, because thats what he says to use. But that dosent mean I dont try them all. His system is very precise for the vehicle when you think about it. But reading about it in the memo's, he makes it sound simple. Dosen't he?.

Yes MikeMongo you have to change the way you percieve things. If you don't you will not proceed any farther down the road.

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Hello hardkrome,


You say 11,6 kohm of impedance, what is the real resistance, and reactance of the cable? There is by any chance impedance due to skin effect? I found that it become very pronounced effect when you have ferritic wire and short pulses or high frequency... It would create a reactance like effect but instead of accumulating energy in the magnetic field on the coil it would only restrict the current, by not allowing the flow of electrons in the center of the conductor because of the magnetic field that is inside of the wire...


Don smith say that when you reach resonance at high frequencies you make the electrons to flow outside of the wire, or meaning you reduce its resistance creating a superconductive condition at ambient temperature...


Other thing i found is another theory that says that if you discharge high power at very high frequency thru a resistor but the frequency is high enough to make it be more inductive than resistive you would create a voltage cross it witch is higher than the voltage drop would be for the current witch is crossing it , or something like that....
 
I think that the only way to break the water is to give to it very short pulses at high kv, short enough to cause the skin effect...


I reached 270v using distilled water and tube cells no bubbles but using rain water i reach 180 volts  having bubbles and the water gets a little warm after 10 minutes. bubbles are very very tiny and they move around the celll... water seems clearly softer than water with electrolyte...


I went to the library today again and saw in a book about high voltage, the demonstration of water molecules elongation in high electric field inside a oil capacitor, there were pictures, very impressive, there is a tiny drop with elongates up to the point where it arcs. I also found that air bubbles or the h2 o2 bubbles inside the water will cause also a high electric field effect around the bubbles... I don't remember now the name of the effect....


does your water get warm?


How do you know there is hydrogen?


what is the real resistance, and reactance of the cable? There is by any chance impedance due to skin effect?


how did you measured the impedance?
 

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You should use rain water. Its conductive compared to distilled water, but yet acts like a capacitor. Thats why he mentions he is using that over and over.

Rain water to distilled water is like having tap water with electrolyte in it.

I'm not measuring the impedance, I don't have to.  I can hear the thing loading and unloading. If a low resistance setup is hooked up to the injector, it will heat the blocking diode. I learned that from experimenting. If I put more resistance in there, it moves the load around the circuit. I really don't care about knowing all that stuff, because I know Stan was not lying. You just have to make it right.

I believe that the impedance causes the skin effect. There is so much going on With that, I dont have the time to get into theorizing. I stick strictly to what Stan says.

If the water gets warm, you are passing current across it. That could mean a lot of things are wrong.

 The bubbles on the top of the water will hold the impurities or trap them and suspend them long enough for you to drain them off into the electrostatic filter. If the bubbles are left to self dissipate, the impurities will fall to the bottom.

It looks like specks or particles of dirt. The water remains clear.

I know its HHO because I can ignite it with a lighter.