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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2009, 19:14:26 pm »
that's great, just a suggestion that when you are done with the linear choke, you may wish to try it the way stan describes everywhere else. as far as i can tell most researches don't clue into the details regarding the chokes, if they did then i'm sure lawton and ravi would have done it stans way too
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2009, 20:22:17 pm »
Hi Donald,

Stan Meyer if you look at various patents and analyse the evolution of design went from linear to toroid to EI-frame transformer.  Early experimenters (and Meyer) tried different things but ultimately the results point in the same direction.  I'm more interested if others can collaborate with the results I've seen rather than nitpick over design issues of this or that.  A bifilar choke ultimately is constructed in one way but can be connected in circuit 2 ways.

Not sure if it was here or somewhere else where someone reported negative results using allthread/pipe rather than inner pipe/outer pipe combination.  I was just going by a suggestion by Meyer in one of his patents.  I can see the utility of inner/outer pipe combination giving each wave guide 2 sources for input of water fuel rather than one.

I included photos of my crude setup of diode/bifilar choke.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2009, 23:19:36 pm »
This will probably be my last post on this topic as I have explored most of what I thought were the key aspects of this patent.  I believe the main innovation this patent claims is that of using tubes in an electrolyser either one inside the other like a joe cell or wouter's tubular electrolyser or as a series of tubular arrays.  I was not successful (yet) in wiring a tubular array serially  Wired in parallel resulted in over voltage and excess heat production with straight dc.  Stan's claim that a 50% duty cycle was more efficient... I don't know about efficient but excess heat was minimized at a 1/4-1/3 duty cycle which resulted in more energetic gas and less steam.  I did not find a magical resonant frequency.  I used a cheap motor controller circuit with a variable duty cycle of 0-100% and variable frequency of 100 hz - 2 khz.  The jury is still out on whether this is a non-electrolysis process for me.  There certainly is something here.  This fall should be interesting.

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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2009, 04:24:24 am »
A bifilar choke ultimately is constructed in one way
This is not true.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2009, 22:21:11 pm »
Hi Donald,

Maybe ultimately was too strong of a word.

I took two wires (bifilar) and wrapped them unidirectionally on a linear coil form.  I connected them anti-parallel to a series of rods and tubes i.e. positive and ground were travelling against each other.  My personal preference is to connect the positive to the inner tube or in my case the allthread rod.  I connected a diode to the positive before the bifilar coil.  I achieved positive results regarding temperature of the cell stabilizing at around 105 degrees F.  Not luck but results.

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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2009, 22:59:39 pm »
I meant to report back earlier than this.  Max gas production has been around 50 ml./minute for 6 1/2 tubes 4 inches long.  I'm looking into eliminating zip tie spacers to increase flow through the tubes.  Mintaining that 1.5 mm clearance is difficult though.

I have not been able to replicate my previous finding of temperature stabilizing at 110-120F.  Although it takes longer with a coil and diode temperature continues to rise.  It takes a long time for the water to cool given water's heat capacity.

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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2009, 19:47:05 pm »
I have continued to work on the design.  Latest iteration was an attempt to eliminate zip tie spacers with tube holders.  Basically tried to suspend the tube from the top by flanging the top of the tube.  Increase of production was miniscule still around 50 ml/min with tap water and 25 ml/min with distilled water.  I also tried bifilar coils using ferrite toroids and connecting in parallel and anti-parallel.  Windings were 50 turns and 100 turns.  As far as production didn't seem to matter either way but the coil buzzes in parallel configuration.  Heating of the cell still builds slowly in a few hours temp is around 120F at which point I stop as there's steam obviously being evolved.  Next is to grind the threads from the rods so the rods are smooth.  As in the patent I will see if circulating the water via a water pump has any beneficial effect.  In the patent there's a graph remarking on water temperature so Stan wasn't hiding anything in his research.

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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2009, 22:47:25 pm »
I finally got around to grinding the threads from a set of allthread 316L SS rods 5/16".  I also ground the tip to a blunt point or semi-circle since I've been reading up on Schauberger and actually got the idea from one of Stan's diagrams describing a non-linear wave guide where the outer tube is flared and the inner tube is constricted leading to a negative pressure zone or vacuum (my understanding) which might increase the pumping action of the tube sets water entering from the bottom and exiting out top.  The rods were nice and shiny after grinding.  I was disappointed that production seemed to be less but the battery voltage was low and after charging production popped back up.  Had an accident with the pvc piping so until I repair it no volumetric measurements yet.  No circulating water yet either.

The rods had a bronzing after running numerous hours so that's all been ground off so I expect the rods will get bronzed again after a burn in.  The inside of the t-304 ss tubes are still the same color but the outside is a little bronzed.  Looks like a catalytic layer.  Tubes do not appear to be eroding.

When I use the bifilar coil in vibrating mode and hold it to the container it seems that bubbles are knocked off the tubes and more gas is evolved.  Just something I tried to see what would happen.

After grinding the gap is larger where previously it was about 1.5 mm now it's almost 3 mm.  Zip tie spacers are eliminated from the bottom of tubes but some of the tubes need a spacer up top.  The tubes without spacers appear to produce more gas.

All for now...

Andy