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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2009, 18:47:43 pm »
Hi Steve,

At this point I agree some circuit protection would be advisable on positive and negative supply.  My problems started with adding another set of 6 "wave guides" for a total of 12.  I think I've seen as much as I can with following some aspects of this patent.  I haven't seen a non-electrolysis process with tap or distilled water but I can see a utility of keeping down heat production with a pulse width of 50% or more which is a basis of Meyer's solid state and rotary controllers.

Problems begin to appear when one is in a rush and gets sloppy.  Spacing of tubes is absolutely critical and restriction from top with spacers have an effect on production as well as heat buildup.  Not so much worried about heat except for runaway effect as I see in classic electrolysers which seem to be solved with "dry" cells but I'm chasing Meyer's method otherwise I wouldn't be here.

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2009, 22:09:18 pm »
Update I've gone a little beyond this patent now with the introduction of a diode and bifilar wrapped choke connected as Stan Meyer suggested in his later patents.  With currents flowing anti-parallel in the choke, it's working as either a step-down transformer or zero vector scalar wave generator depending on who's theory you go by.  Regardless, heat production is dramatically reduced with wave guides wired in parallel in conjunction with a cheap frequency and pulse width modulated motor controller circuit from bakatronics.  Wire was wrapped bifilar around a piece of T-304 stainless steel pipe since it was left over and seemed like something to try as it's got some iron and it's air cored.  Wire is 20 gauge silver plated copper PTFE covered and about 50 turns or 9 mm length of 1/2" OD pipe.  The choke heats up a little but motor controller and other wires and connections are cool.  Still running off a car battery.

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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2009, 22:58:42 pm »
if you are playing around with stans bifilar resonant charging chokes, then take note that they are wrapped in flat pancake spiral sections, you can tell this design comes from the alternator as he moved it over to solid state, where the windings in an alternator are done in about 13 loops per phase, the chokes are also done in numerous coil sections connected in series, as you see in the vic coil where there are 14 coil sections.

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2009, 23:31:19 pm »
Hi Donald,

That might be so.  I'm just going thru things trying to see what Stan saw.  Explain if you can how a bifilar coil with anti-parallel currents is similar to an alternator.

As an aside looking at Jeff Behary's website electrotherapymuseum.com (I think) there were some interesting circuits and something called an impedance coil for controlling the spark of a spark gap and I suppose impedance matching which looked similar to Stan's adjustable tuned charging choke.  My bifilar choke is the same as that described by Dave Lawton, Dr, Scott Cramton and early on by Stan Meyer in for example the circuit drawing for the demonstration wfc that's found in independent.pdf.  Thanks for the heads up.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2009, 05:23:45 am »
well at first thought it seems odd that an alternator can do the same thing as the vic, but since the vic was built as a solid state version of the alternator (to a specific purpose of a pulse voltage frequency source), there is much to learn between them.

there i just meant to draw extra attention to the fact that they both use numerous coils in series in the secondary/choke coils, and they both also have an interesting coil orientation with respect to the core, if you look at the stator, it is a ring and the coils point away from it, if you look at the vic, the coils are wound from close to the core to far away from the core, like a pancake. I am able to see some interesting characteristics and maybe some resemblance in the design.

here are a few pictures, notice the little circle/loop he draws between the coil sections to indicate the shared inductance, and also the distributed capacitance, if you think about a stator, i assume you would also get a similar effect from all the spaced out coils

i'd also like to point out, in an electrical diagram of the alternator it shows one inductor for each phase, and not 13 inductors in series, likewise, in the vic diagram, it shows one inductor for the secondary and each choke, and not 14 inductors in series, however we know beyond the simple diagram how that is actually built.

also here is my amp inhibitor coil/resonant charging choke coil i will be using when i get to that stage

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2009, 06:28:45 am »
Hi Donald,

I never said I was replicating a VIC only that I was curious what the effect of a diode and a bifilar choke would have on my setup.  In point of fact I've noticed a dramatic effect on temperature stable at 105 degrees F with a pulse width of 50-100%.  As far as the alternator design what I see is early on using a variac to study voltage along with bifilar choke and the alternator 1/3 pulse width on 3 sets of wave guides.  The VIC is much later and not many folks that I've read have had much success in replicating a VIC.  I'm going thru the process of learning not jumping to graduation.  I have not seen resonance so to speak.  It is an interesting effect nonetheless.

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2009, 17:45:56 pm »
You said you were playing around with bifilar chokes, I just wanted to point out that linear chokes, that look like this, or similar are not stans design, and they wont provide the results stan is intending. I only drew the connection to the vic because the chokes are part of the vic as well.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2009, 18:47:51 pm »
Hi Donald,

I'm going by Stan's design bifilar wound bifilar choke current running anti-parallel and linear.  As far as I know Ravi, Lawton and Dr. Scramton use the same bifilar choke in their setups.  Dave Lawton tried different chokes as did Ravi shown in his pdf available at panaceauniversity.org.  I would tend to agree that a series of bifilar pancake chokes ala Tesla would be very effective.  There's a few ways of wrapping bifilar chokes that I've come across and different ways to connect them with different results.  I'll stick with what works for me.  Just sharing my results.  As far as emulating an alternator in solid state as far as I see it you have 3 phases each phase has a pulse width of 1/3; frequency is based on rotation of rotor.  Voltage is based on voltage of stator in an EM design or strength of permanent magnets in a PM design.  Alternating current -> pulsing direct current via diodes.  Just keeping it simple life is complicated enough.

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